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Speak for yourself, I'm still on a 12p tariff
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A fellow DevOps brother?And that's where you couldn't be more wrong
I work in development, albeit not "games" development, mainly work in automation and where I help improve developers workflows among many other areas so being able to reduce time/effort on the developers behalf is something I love doing, especially when you see the hours saved, which in return also saves a huge chunk of project budget and allows the team to focus on other things. An old saying "why spend 6 hours automating something when you can manually do it in 6 minutes", same concept can be applied to ray tracing vs rasterization in the current form i.e. there is going to be a learning curve and even Microsoft recently stated that too with their developers trying to get their heads around ray tracing, we/you have only just seen the tip of the iceberg on what ray tracing can offer for both developers and gamers, rasterization methods has reached its peak and the best example we have is things like RDR 2.
We are getting old games with ray tracing remastered, yes, but nearly most games coming out now also feature ray tracing, again, it isn't just "nvidia", why do people seem to think that ray tracing is tied up with nvidia? Seems the RTX marketing has worked on you folks
Guessing you haven't seen my posts on the 40xx? I haven't said anywhere that the prices/move by Jenson is justified.... Hence why I have said, I'll wait and see what rdna 3 offers, if **** too, I'll skip this gen entirely. Funny how I am a nvidia "fanboy" when I have owned far more amd hardware than intel and nvidia combined and funnily only owned 2 nvidia gpus an about 6 amd gpus
Ray tracing fanboy, yes, no denying that because it is the next step in graphicsPuzzles me peoples stance on ray tracing especially on a pc enthusiast gaming forum where people spend thousands to get the best visuals but when it comes to tech. which will take us to the "next gen" visuals "no we don't want it!"
Hell yea’! Rare to see one in the wild. I was at a comedy show the other week and the guy asked me what I did, I said dev ops and heard one faint cheer in the back going “yea’!”Am indeed
Defo a love hate type job.
We're certainly like gold dust
No one else quite knows/understands the pain of our job at times Speak for yourself, I'm still on a 12p tariff
Can I stick an extension cable in at your place ?
My electric prices will make you cry and when you finally get off that deal and end up on the "standard rates" we are all on now, even before these silly price increases I was always like on 29p min for electric and now doubled. 
Being an enthusiast on an enthusiast hardware forum doesn't have to include always forking out for the very top of the line hardware. If you want people to be excited for a feature they will have to be able to run it without to much of a penalty to performance, otherwise whats the point. My RTX 3070 certainly wasn't very impressive in this department. It's not that many years ago where 30 fps was the norm and we PC gamers begged for 60 fps to be the minimum standard, why on earth would we praise going back to slideshow gaming, no matter how cool or good some new tech might look?Ray tracing fanboy, yes, no denying that because it is the next step in graphics
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12p is very cheap - My tariff is 20.79 E and 4.51 for gas and thought I was getting a very good deal.
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Does anyone know yet if the 4090 FE is exclusive to those rip off merchants over at Scam?
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An old saying "why spend 6 hours ray tracing something when you can rasterise it in 6 minutes"
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I've never been so interested in exchange rates before, well done OCUK! It's at 1.07 currently.
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17p & 3p till 2024. Paying £153 a month, energy provider kindly keeps telling me I`d be on £347 a month on standard. Although our solar panels do help.
Anyway once people buy these 4090's they dont need central heating, or a toaster.
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17p & 3p till 2024. Paying £153 a month, energy provider kindly keeps telling me I`d be on £347 a month on standard. Although our solar panels do help.
Anyway once people buy these 4090's they dont need central heating, or a toaster.
It's amazing how many people will blow £2k on a 4090, but won't invest in Solar, yes will complain about the cost of everything going up. I bet some of the people even mined on previous GPU's to make 'free' money.
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Most people buying graphics cards* don't have roofs i.e live in a flat
*I say that because typically they're young professionals or whatever and they tend to live in flats
See consoles and metro EE i.e. RT only titles also work on rdna 2/console hardware.
That's also why we have the option to decrease/increase settings or turn it off entirely along with upscaling tech.
Not sure what titles you play or/and what settings you are trying to use but plenty of hardware is capable of 100+ fps at 1440/4k with dlss/fsr/rsr/nis, inb4 "fake resolution".....
Not the best nor largest selection of games but far from the "30 fps slideshow" and that's without upscaling tech:
How do you propose we gradually move/evolve into RT only titles? (which as pointed out many times, this is where we are going regardless of what people value, again, it's not a case of it being a "nvidia thing"). Wait until hardware arrives and then have developers just click their fingers and boom, we're in the RT era now?
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Yes I dumped my savings into solar and saving £300 a month. 800/900 watts for a top end pc with a 4090 in it is just insanely expansive to run (on my tarif). We use £60 of gas and electric and to run one of those pcs would be same as our whole bill.
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Only if the next gen sells!
Would've been easier if the raytracing was an add in card. Like how raster started with adding 3dfx card to run with your 2d video card, or physx on an ageia card.
When Turing dropped, much of the sentiment was the price increases were due to die being used for raytracing etc.
I always jump on new tech, always have. But many of my enthusiast friends are enthusiastic with getting as much performance for the best price. Overclocking etc got them into this hobby especially when there really were big gains to have by oc.
For them they adopted 3d a few gens in. With raytracing, they feel they are paying for something that they don't value the saturation on the games they will play. If it was a separate card would maybe wait another gen.
I kinda like people being forced
will make the transition quicker. Sometimes a tech can really impress me, but never adopted by the mass and dissapears due to many factors, sometimes timing. 3d vision was amazing on oled or projector. No ghosting etc, most experienced it on slow lcd + cheating on 3d effects was becoming more common meaning more game effects needed to be turned off. Done well, 3d vision was amazing. If only I could've forced everyone to buy an oled screen or projector back then Nvidia: Let`s pay the devs to put as much crap as they can in their game.
Also Nvidia: Let's find some ways to mitigate the perf penalty because our cards are not good enough to run the features we paid for.
That is the problem with RT. Even if it may look better, it is still a marketing tool and not a feature the devs are pushing for. I am not sure if there is any RT game released right now that wasn't sponsored by either Nvidia, AMD or Intel.
The fact that we don't have a fixed number of features and the devs can lock some features for a specific card if they want : CP RT worked only on Nvidia or Godfall RT worked only on AMD and so on. That is a disgrace and none of those games should be given attention. If you use your game to help selling some cards then i won't give you more respect than you give me.
Look Nvidia just added a thing on their 40 series called "thread ordering...something". It should help in theory to run the RT faster. The problem is, you need a custom code inserted in the game for it to work. So most likely it will work better in a future version of CP or whatever games Nvidia will sponsor and it will not work at all in games that are not sponsored by Nvidia. I believe Intel has some thread ordering something feature too, most likely with their own custom code that they will insert in the games they will sponsor ( most likely fewer than Nvidia). So assuming their drivers will work, you will see the big ARC running RT games worse than the 3050 or better than the 3080 or something, depending on the title.
And that is the problem, the custom API instead of having both ( or hopefully all three cards manufacturers ) using the same API and competing and inovating inside the same framework.
On one hand we complain there is no or very little competition in the graphic cards market and the prices are going through the roof, on the other hand we don't understand there can't be any competition if each manufacturer does its own thing. Nvidia has a big advantage here, having a huge marketshare and being able to control most of the pc gaming market and tbh anyone who wants to play most of the future good PC games at the best performance should always buy Nvidia cards. But at least we can understand how we are manipulated instead of acting like stupid cheerleaders. They don't put the RT inside the game because they want you to play a better looking game. They put it because it allows them to gain an unfair advantage against the competition.
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Sure but it's the same as G-Sync vs Freesync IMO, the majority of people don't want to pay £100's for something with little discernable difference, they want good enough.The more posts I read on ray tracing from some people on here, the more I think people just associate "ray tracing" as a "nvidia thing" now (which is understandable given them pushing/investing in it especially with all the RTX branding, marketing people are doing their job well
Intel are also getting behind it and marketing their hardware and toolkits for it:
Intel® Advanced Ray Tracing and Rendering Technology
Acceleration and optimization for key rendering and ray tracing workloads scales across platforms and helps creators realize their visions fast.www.intel.com
There's no question Nvidia RT is good, even great, but people don't want or can pay £100's for a high end solution, the majority of the market is in the middle, the majority prefer to pay for something that's good enough.