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NVIDIA 4000 Series

BigBANGtheory said:
So that £650 equivalent product is now approaching 2k
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I think it depends what you consider equivalent, neither the 1080ti nor the 3080 were the top dog card from Nvidia. You've got 3090 considered as Titan class if you believe Nvidia (tbh, with 24GB VRAM it does kinda feel that way) and the Titan was not £650.

They are rinsing the prices on the high end but I just fall back to the point that 3080 MRSP buys a very fast card, and crucially what I'm saying is I'm expecting it to still not be a terrible deal relative to what else you can buy at the same time when next gen comes out. In other words, you are not going to be buying a card that is stomping all over the 3080 for under £500, I'm sorry, but I just don't see it. Surely if they have any sense this 4070 or whatever is going to be a £750 card, meaning the 3080 shouldn't fall of a cliff. The new gen should kill off the 3080ti and above prices, but unless they pull a rabbit out of a hat the impact on the 3080 should be a lot less.

In other words I'm saying ignore historical pricing concentrate on pricing when 4000 series launches, weighing up the relative performance to price ratio, I'm expecting the 3080 won't fare all that badly.
 
A 4070 at £750 would be a nonstarter for most people. I suspect more likely is people who paid through the nose are going to take a big hit.
 
I can see £700-800 MSRP for the 4070 being a reality. People had no problem paying £900+ or so for the 3070.
If I had to take some wild guesses I'd say £999 4080 - £699 or £749 4070 and £499 4060ti.
 
I think AMD's RDNA 3 will be pretty competitive at the performance level of the RTX 4070 in 2022, and we know they will be using the 6nm EUV fab. process for some graphics cards, which should work out cheaper to design and produce than 5nm EUV. So, Nvidia is likely to have a fight on it's hands, and I think they will need to price the RTX 4070 (and lower spec models) competitively.
 
RavenXXX2 said:
Who was paying 900+ for a 3070? miners that's who.
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I remember one of the techtubers encouraging people to buy at the high prices and just mine to make the money back.
When a device can print money, the price people will pay is limited only by how quickly it can print money.

When the same device can't print money, (or prints money at an excruciatingly slow pace) well then you get what we have now...stock on shelves and falling prices.

People didn't pay those prices in a vacuum, and they aren't paying those prices now.
 
Can't see prices being too looney, nor can I see a stock shortage situation like this time around. Sure FE cards will be out of stock for a long time. But generally after 3-6 months once initial demand is satisfied you will have AIB cards available at their above MSRP prices.

The above is assuming things continue to head the direction they are at the moment which means less disposable income and low mining profits due to crash in the prices and much higher energy costs. Things could change by the time the next gen cards are out but I doubt it.
 
TNA said:
Can't see prices being too looney
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I mean... I wouldn't expect a 40x0 card to be cheaper than it's 30x0 equivalent... and they're still pretty nuts right now. Maybe the top end are approaching MSRP, but the mainstream cards are ~50% overpriced and showing no sign of falling :(
 
I do wonder how badly Nvidia will be effected by the cost of living crisis and runaway inflation. Nvidia have enjoyed non stop price creeps with every new generation of video card going back over a decade but it's always been in an environment of relatively low inflation and stable economic growth. There's a good chance of a very painful recession landing in the latter part of this year and I can't see how Nvidia can get away with charging £800 for a mid range video card when the price of food and fuel continues to skyrocket.

I'm not the only one to think this way either, look at the NVDA stock price over the last 6 months and it's collapsed 50% (for comparison AMD is down 40% and Intel about 34% so the whole sector is effected but Nvidia has been hit hard).
 
Freddie1980 said:
I do wonder how badly Nvidia will be effected by the cost of living crisis and runaway inflation. Nvidia have enjoyed non stop price creeps with every new generation of video card going back over a decade but it's always been in an environment of relatively low inflation and stable economic growth. There's a good chance of a very painful recession landing in the latter part of this year and I can't see how Nvidia can get away with charging £800 for a mid range video card when the price of food and fuel continues to skyrocket.

I'm not the only one to think this way either, look at the NVDA stock price over the last 6 months and it's collapsed 50% (for comparison AMD is down 40% and Intel about 34% so the whole sector is effected but Nvidia has been hit hard).
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I see a few different types of buyers:

Miners - cost isn't an issue
High end gamers - probably already own a 3090 or similar, not as price sensitive
Productivity users - if it makes money they may justify it
Enthusiast gamers - have a budget albeit a generous one, probably buy 3070/3080 but won't be scalped
Majority of gamers - 3060Ti and below, price matters

Last time the top 2/3 categories accounted for the sales at high prices. Will they now have the money or the need for a new high priced GPU?
 
Quartz said:
For miners, cost is the main issue. That's the initial cost and power cost. Those impact the time it takes to generate a profit.
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True but they are making money from the GPU. As they were literally buying pallets of GPU's it was obviously profitable enough to pay the high prices last time. It doesn't look like it will be the case going forward, now mining is not as profitable. That will probably be the biggest factor that could change the pricing.
 
Quartz said:
For miners, cost is the main issue. That's the initial cost and power cost. Those impact the time it takes to generate a profit.
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Profitability is the main issue. It's fine to spend 3k on a 3090 if it can print twice that much money in a year.

Conversely, a $1500 3090 is a terrible deal if it can only print $500 in a year.

(I haven't looked at the actual numbers..the above numbers are for illustration purposes)
 
HRL said:
There’s an Nvidia keynote at 4am BST. Too early to announce new cards?

Computex in Taipei.
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They might be unvieling something as the description for the presentation (NVidia Computex 2022) says:

'Watch our special keynote address to learn how AI is powering the enterprise data center and the latest products and technologies for gamers and creators.'

If its any of their consumer lines its likely to be the 4090 as thats rumoured to be coming early summer.
 
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