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NVIDIA 4000 Series

GAC said:
40 tflops, my poor 1070 has 6.5 or there abouts and a 3080 has a claimed 29.8, guess the 4070 maybe a better deal than a 4080 for me especially if it has more memory.

but rumours and other made up rubbish aside, roll on the 4000 series :D
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You cant take TFLOPS seriously.

The 2070 Super has like 9 TFLOPS and the 3070 has about 20 TFLOPS but the upgrade is certainly nothing at all like you would imaging looking at those figures.
 
dave28 said:
You cant take TFLOPS seriously.

The 2070 Super has like 9 TFLOPS and the 3070 has about 20 TFLOPS but the upgrade is certainly nothing at all like you would imaging looking at those figures.
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i know, but what else is there for now to get excited or upset over :P

means sod all until we see them actually running.
 
It will come out when it comes out. I don’t even buy the rumours that it will be significantly faster in rasta performance. Double the performance in RT I can believe though. The amount of times rumours turn out to be wrong and keep changing over the years I am surprised anyone takes them seriously. The rumours are just a bit of fun, nothing more as far as I am concerned.

I am not even fussed if we don’t get new cards this year. Nothing on the horizon this year that I want to play which my card can’t deal with.
 
TNA said:
It will come out when it comes out. I don’t even buy the rumours that it will be significantly faster in rasta performance. Double the performance in RT I can believe though. The amount of times rumours turn out to be wrong and keep changing over the years I am surprised anyone takes them seriously. The rumours are just a bit of fun, nothing more as far as I am concerned.

I am not even fussed if we don’t get new cards this year. Nothing on the horizon this year that I want to play which my card can’t deal with.
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But but but.... your measly 8gb vram going to stop you from playing so many games right now, let alone by the end of this year! :D ;) :cry:
 
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tommybhoy said:
Measly vram gives him higher fps as he's having to run Xbox1 iq anyway.:p
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Not in any game I am playing now. Only one where I have dropped one notch on certain effects is Flight Simulator :)

The next game coming out which is a must buy for me is Starfield and that won’t be out until next year now. Anything else I might be interested in playing coming out is either easy to run or won’t be day 1 games for me anyways :D

Buying a QD-OLED monitor has made me fancy replay a bunch of games I have not played in a long time anyway. You go on about vram and xbox1 IQ etc but unless you are playing on a an OLED monitor you are not playing on the IQ level I am on anyways ;)
 
TNA said:
Not in any game I am playing now. Only one where I have dropped one notch on certain effects is Flight Simulator :)

The next game coming out which is a must buy for me is Starfield and that won’t be out until next year now. Anything else I might be interested in playing coming out is either easy to run or won’t be day 1 games for me anyways :D

Buying a QD-OLED monitor has made me fancy replay a bunch of games I have not played in a long time anyway. You go on about vram and xbox1 IQ etc but unless you are playing on a an OLED monitor you are not playing on the IQ level I am on anyways ;)
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You n nexus go on and on and on about the vram, myself-and the forums lucky I only reply sometimes.:p
 
EZ benchmark does not bode well for current gen cards below 3090. 4060ti will be roughly that if you extrapolate from recent leaks. High end 6000 series cards will likely only be viable for esports titles in 5 years time (if you want to play modern titles at the indended fidelity). PC's are going to have vastly superior graphical capabilities over consoles by the end of the year.

Are game devs going to limit themselves to console level graphics, or is it more likely that they will be using UE5 and push for the implementation regardless of the optimisations.
 
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dave28 said:
You cant take TFLOPS seriously.

The 2070 Super has like 9 TFLOPS and the 3070 has about 20 TFLOPS but the upgrade is certainly nothing at all like you would imaging looking at those figures.
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That's because people throw around the numbers like they know what they are talking about - partially Nvidia's fault too.

The tflop numbers that people always throw around are the published FP32 tflop performance estimates. Funny thing though, videogame performance is not exclusively derived by FP32, if it was Nvidia would be able to dump a whole bunch of extra units and cores in its GPUs and just fill them to the brim with FP32 Cuda cores.

In the past people would try to use FP32 as a way to derive real world performance and this sort of worked but it only works when the two GPUs you are comparing are using the same architecture.

And RTX 2000 and 3000 are most definitely not using the same architecture and that's the problem and that's why they should not be compared. One graphics processing cluster of Ampere is very different to one Graphics processing cluster of Turing, they are not like for like.

Ampere has a high tflop rating because Nvidia changed the architecture for Ampere to have double the FP32 units per GPC compared to Turing but Nvidia did not double anything else and as I said videogame performance cannot be derived by simply looking at FP32.

In the past if you had one Nvidia gpu and another and one was 4tflop and another was 8tflop you would expect the 8 to be way faster in games and this was because to get to 8 Nvidia doubled the number of GPCs in the GPU and this meant that everything was double, every type of unit and core was doubled. But that did not happen with Ampere, Nvidia did not double or triple the GPC units on the GPU all they was modify the existing GPC to have more FP32 units inside without touching anything else thus allowing them to claim massive FP32 improvements which will never translate to videogame performance.

Nvidia knows this and yet Jensen will stand up their on the stage and tell you to your face that this "gaming" GPU is twice as fast! When he knows full well it's no twice as fast in games, when he said it's twice as fast he meant twice as fast for MINING
 
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TNA said:
The worst kind of investment in terms of resale value is when you get the top tier GPU like a 3090 or the 3090Ti. Those lose value big time.
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Luckily my 3080 Ti worked out cheap.
Bought an FE at RRP, but selling my original 3080 to CeX allowed me to only pay £350 or so out of pocket.
So I could consider an upgrade without worrying about losing too much.

I think I need to focus on the rest of my platform first though - new CPU, migrate over to DDR5 and get a new PSU (mine is 10 years old now).
 
dave28 said:
You cant take TFLOPS seriously.

The 2070 Super has like 9 TFLOPS and the 3070 has about 20 TFLOPS but the upgrade is certainly nothing at all like you would imaging looking at those figures.
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Unless you are rendering in something like Maya or Blender, in which case the performance difference does like a bit like that.
 
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