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NVIDIA 4000 Series

Not even Asus employees understand how their cards power regulation works

On this video they seem pretty excited when they say you can push the Strix 4090 all the way to 600w! They seemingly haven't actually tested it because if they had they'd know that the card won't exceed 500w due to the voltage ceiling in the bios.

How is that AIBs don't know this? Did Nvidia dupe them, did Nvidia release bad bios? Will the issue be fixed?

Like now I'm thinking Nvidia told them they'd allow 600w and then at the last minute Nvidia decided to voltage lock the cards to prevent overclocked 4090's from competing with a future 4090ti - it's such an Nvidia thing to do it's not far fetched at all

 
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Grim5 said:
I've only seen screen tearing if the framerate goes above the monitor max refresh rate but I use a frame limiter on my games and there is no tearing under max refresh

So is using vsync the same as a frame limiter? Doesn't vsync add latency?
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Frame limiter is technically what Vsync is so on that note no you don't need it then if thats how you stop the game tearing up.
 
With the supposed big gap in performance between the 4090 and the 4080 16GB, is it realistic to expect a 4080 Ti at some point?

Also, people with the 4090 - how is the noise? I'm guessing the cooler really is overkill and these things run pretty quiet?
 
Vega said:
Man people need to stop buying bargain basement PSU's. If people bought a decent 1K+ watt PSU to begin with, it's like a once a decade or two purchase and you wouldn't have to worry about any of this nonsense.
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There is far more to it than that.
I would not trust my old Silverstone Strider 1KW 80 Plus silver with a 4090 due to loss of maximum power output, yes just like a vehicle, PSU's can lose power over time, that PSU is now 13 years old almost, it still works, it is driven daily still but powers audio only.

New units are better in terms of transient spikes and are made with that in mind. My MSI A850GF is certified for RTX 3000 series so it will handle above 1KW on transients.
 
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von Humboldt said:
With the supposed big gap in performance between the 4090 and the 4080 16GB, is it realistic to expect a 4080 Ti at some point?

Also, people with the 4090 - how is the noise? I'm guessing the cooler really is overkill and these things run pretty quiet?
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They are very quiet and they are overkill - the YouTuber bangforbuckgamer has been doing some 4k gaming videos on his MSI suprim 4090 and he set the fans to max speed to see what happens and the card runs at 48c... it's just ridiculous but yes of course at max speed they are loud it's just to show how overkill the cooler is, by default pretty much all 4090 cards don't run their fans higher than 40% speed and it makes them super quiet
 
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Vega said:
Man people need to stop buying bargain basement PSU's.
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It's not that people buy bargain basement, it's that until recently that sort of rating of PSU was complete overkill. I have a 750W platinum SF supply in my workstation, which is more than enough for a 5950x and a 2080Ti, I've now got the 2080Ti running very happily in my 'games' system with a 600W platinum SF supply, because with the 350W cap on that and 140W max on the i7 9700 CPU with the power limits raised until the VRMs complain ... that's still 110W headroom for the motherboard, a couple of SSDs, half a dozen fans and nothing much else.

Two generations later and the GPU is consuming a potential extra 250W! It's crazy.
 
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I love the idea of one of these AIO cooled cards, but the thought of the pump or something dying 3 or 4 years down the road and basically having a worthless, unfixable gpu is too scary. At least if a cpu AIO dies, while not ideal, youre only out a couple hundred for a new AIO.
 
Quartz said:
This is wierd. I ran up HWInfo and it says that the GPU is hardly being used at all.

Task Manager

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HWInfo

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People reported 100% GPU usage at idle and someone found a workaround to fix 100% GPU usage at idle by disabled HAGS and restart PC.

 
Grim5 said:
They are very quiet and they are overkill - the YouTuber bangforbuckgamer has been doing some 4k gaming videos on his MSI suprim 4090 and he set the fans to max speed to see what happens and the card runs at 48c... it's just ridiculous but yes of course at max speed they are loud it's just to show how overkill the cooler is, by default pretty much all 4090 cards don't run their fans higher than 40% speed and it makes them super quiet
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I've got MSI RTX 4090 Gaming Trio which is the lowest model from MSI (paid MSRP for it)and even when overclocked to the absolute max it's very quiet and the temps are not even exceeding 70c on the core and 80c on the hotspot. Memory is also well under 90c were my Asus 3090 Strix was easily exceeding 100c at stock.
When fans are pushed to 100%, yes the card is extremely loud but the temps as you said are low between 50-60c.
 
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Pixsik said:
I've got MSI RTX 4090 Gaming Trio which is the lowest model from MSI (paid MSRP for it)and even when overclocked to the absolute max it's very quiet and the temps are not even exceeding 70c on the core and 80c on the hotspot. Memory is also well under 90c were my Asus 3090 Strix was easily exceeding 100c at stock.
When fans are pushed to 100%, yes the card is extremely loud but the temps as you said are low between 50-60c.
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I've got the same gpu yes it is quiet isn't it i've just ran timespy extreme it got 19300 graphics score stock. How much ru adding to core and memory? I want to oc mine, not sure how much to add. During benchmark it boosted to 2750mhz stock.
 
arknor said:
yea 2k for a 4090 is madness... bet they will be 1400 in a month


I've seen Suprim X as low as 1850 but most places charging 2100, the margins must be huge
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My work college got a MSI Suprim for £1749.99 and free shipping on release. So something is very wrong and even Nvidia's store shows it as £1795 at one of the retailers they linked to too.

Nothing but a scam when they charge more for it and pure price gouging.
 
benbird7 said:
Ok here on my 4090 ichill x3 I just run timespy extreme and got 19549. I'm only on a 750w GPU but working as it should. Hope you get it sorted.
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Thanks I think I have finally figured it out, It was nothing to do with the GPU all along, It was my CPU Cache ratio that I manually set to max 42x on my 12900K a few weeks ago.

I did some more troubleshooting this morning first by putting the CPU back to stock that made no difference still both Timespy would not complete but this time remembered I set the cache manually a few weeks ago from auto to 42x and bingo Timespy and Timespy extreme have both completed without error and 8n the process now if running the Timespy stress test and that's on loop 10 already without issue, Thanks again and I'm glad yours is working as intended!
 
Man I am so dumb lol, For those that are interested the issues I was having with Timespy was my 12900K Cache ratio I manually set the max to 42x when I was testing different benchmarks on my 3080 a few weeks ago with the E Cores disabled.

Have set it back to auto and since completed Timespy, Timespy extreme and Timespy stress tests without issue it's all good now.

Thanks for the help guy's and I hope it this at least helps anyone if they have any similar issues!

One happy chappy now :D
 
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