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Quartz said:
I still have my Panasonic VT plasma. The image quality is still way better than anything since. Granted I've yet to experience HDR.
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You clearly haven't experienced even a 5-year-old OLED in a home environment... I had a Kuro and the relevant Panasonic.

But i've had OLEDs since 2017 and to compare them is absurd - OLEDs are leagues ahead of either. Even the new EVO panel is a noticeable upgrade from the standard panel & I was able to upgrade to 77" size at an affordable cost 3-4 years ago!

Wasn't last years 77" base model selling for under £2k for ages?

I can't wait til the 9x" size variant becomes affordable. I'll be happy to upgrade, 4k or 8k. But 20-30k is silly.

4k is nice and everything, but I'd happilly take a 1080p OLED over the Kuro or Panny... the contrast ratios and colour reproduction is leagues ahead.
 
Jay thinks the 4090 will launch around the same as the 3090....


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Is he deluded or what?

Lets recap:

GTX 1080TI: $700
RTX 2080TI: $1200
RTX 3090: $1500
RTX 3090TI: $2000

Why would the 4090 cost around the same as the 3090? Nvidia have already shown they are willing to charge $2000.

"they stopped producing the 12GB 3080 because it was the same MSRP as the 10GB 3080" Nvidia are not your friend Jay, stop with the cognitive dissidence. You're in an abusive relationship.

 
humbug said:
Why would the 4090 cost around the same as the 3090? Nvidia have already shown they are willing to charge $2000.
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I think you're probably right, but it depends what the supply is like - aside from initial scalping demand should be much lower this generation while tooling has been set up for higher volume most likely. So I reckon initial prices will be higher but then they'll drop fairly quickly.
 
SmokSmog said:
Ada is on track. AD102 A1 silicon has been qualified and is entering HVM right now
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I hope to see the RTX 4070 for under $600, the RTX 3070 was $499, if its $549 i'm ok with that, a price rise is inevitable but i don't want to see stupid prices, i have a feeling Jenson does.

It also depends on what AMD are doing, i'm just as happy to buy something from them, i have been waiting to upgrade for nearly a year, i'm sick of it now, i can't discipline my self for too much longer, pricing on current GPU's are starting to normalise so if a good deal on something pops up i might get it.

On the new stuff, who ever is first....
 
4070 should be well priced - if rumours are true then it has few (but higher density) VRAM chips so able to be priced quite keenly.
 
kalniel said:
4070 should be well priced - if rumours are true then it has few (but higher density) VRAM chips so able to be priced quite keenly.
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It'll be priced for the highest profit margins the companies involved can make and they're now used to extremely high profit margins. It'll be priced at the maximum the market can bear and I'd bet that they'll eagerly take higher profit margins over higher volume even if the result is lower profit overall. Higher profit margins are more useful to the careers of the people at decision-making levels.
 
When investors see high profits they invest, they see profits go down they pull their money out.

They all had bumper profits from the cryptoboom, now that's over they are trying to figure out how their profits are not going to fall as a result, so now they want that money from gamers.

Don't do it, hold your nerve, they all crapped on us when they could sell gaming GPU's to crypto miners at a higher margin and now cryptominers have left them they are looking to you to bail them out, the ###### cheek of it, if they are priced high let them sit on shelves gathering dust, they will soon change theiur tune because what's worse than lower margins is not selling anything at all.
 
keyser van someone said:

Nvidia had to put in the TSMC orders back when crypro was still a thing, they might have over ordered so expect them to have stock piles of silicon in 6-12 months.

also heihehiheheiheheheehiehe
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They are pretending like AMD has the same over supply issue, are they living under a rock? AMD have spend the last 3 years denying half the orders they get because they don't have enough wafer capacity, they are acting like AMD have been selling GPU's to miners to the same extent Nvidia have when what AMD have been doing is trying really hard to steal market share from Intel in the data-centre but can't because they are supply constrained.

AMD must be the same as Nvidia because they also make GPU's and good guy Jens can't be uniquely evil, right?

If AMD was in Nvidia shoes perhaps, but they aren't, Linus, you idiot! They have another competitor in Intel and AMD's aim is long term sustainable market share because they need that, Nvidia can afford to indulge in here today gone tomorrow revenue source, AMD can't.

AMD will buy Nvidia's over allocation and be grateful for it.

:cry: :p :D <- AMD right now

Also: hahahahahahahahaha.... you get what you deserve.

#### me these two are stupid. The chat has been screaming this at them and it just will not get past their thick skulls.
 
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If i was AMD i would offer Nvidia 70% of cost for their wafer supply and let them negotiate me up to 80% of cost.

With a promise to use it for X86 mobile allocation, Laptops, Nvidia are not competing with AMD in that sense, if anything AMD could also guarantee Nvidia a chunky allocation for thier GPU's to go in to these Laptop's, a partnership.

Its an opportunity for them to form a relationship, they do after all have a powerful common enemy.
 
Well potentially AMD could have the same over order of TSMC fab time as well. Both companies sold a ton of cards to crpyto whilst saying they weren't but hey, these companies are just that; companies here to make a profit from which ever customer is willing to pay the most.

tbh I'm not gonna be on the pre-order hype train this time. For one thing there isn't a game that I like, that I can't run right now. Sit back and wait for AMD/Nvidia prices to come back down to earth.
 
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Unless I'm missing something I dont get the denial over people saying scalping wont happen as scalpers have nothing to lose as either they buy up all the cards and the price goes up and they profit or they buy up all the cards and they have 14-28 days to return for a full refund.

This is only for the average scalper, theres been a few flexing mining farm posts and it seem some people have the right connections or ££££ to obtain a lot of GPU's as one deleted twitter post I saw that Tech Yes City covered someone had a **** load of FE cards.
 
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