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^ I don't normally care about internal looks but that is one good-looking build.
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NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards
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Soldato
Its very tidy. Out of interest, in the summer would the flies like it very much too? 
https://www.igorslab.de/en/die-gefo...die-gtx-1060-3gb-bekommt-eine-nachfolgerin-2/
Seems according to Igorslab sources, RTX 3080 Ti is now delayed till end of Feb at the earliest and maybe even later as NVIDIA believes it has some breathing room since 6900XT does not beat the 3080 convincingly at 4K.
Seems according to Igorslab sources, RTX 3080 Ti is now delayed till end of Feb at the earliest and maybe even later as NVIDIA believes it has some breathing room since 6900XT does not beat the 3080 convincingly at 4K.
Soldato
Smirks as the guys slating the 3090 that kept saying, 'just gonna wait for the Ti as its gonna be cheaper and better than the 3080 with more VRAM'.
Soldato
No good comes from that attitude.
Well, it's still true. The 3090 is Nvidias worst buy in history, end of story.
Soldato
I thought the 2080ti still held that crown. Though the below is based on RRP which only the FE cards are, doesn't account for increased retailer asking prices.
cost per frame
$9.60 for 2080ti
$9.09 for the 3090
$7.36 for 1080ti (surprising)
$5.91 for 6900XT
$4.57 for 3080
$4.14 for 6800XT
$4.05 for 6800
£4.00 for 3070 (Best value per frame sine the 10 series NV/57 AMD series
Source HUB 6900XT review @ 13:48
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxQ0-QtAtxA
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Soldato
That's not my point, if your going to sneer at the top card and interject with - im just going to get the Ti it will be cheaper and more or less the same - be prepared for a couple of shocks, 1) its not going to be much cheaper 2) it delayed by looks of it so prepare for the long wait (with mass scramble like we have witnessed when they first launch).
By the time you have waited and got the card for a couple of hundred quid cheaper, nearly six months have passed, which some users have had time to enjoy playing games etc.
The perpetual waiting syndrome for the better deal doesn't always work out so well.
With the pace AMD are currently working, I wouldn’t be surprised to see the next generation in early 2022. The time between the 5700 and RDNA was just over a year?
By the time the supposed Ti releases, that will only be a matter of months away.
Edit: too slow!!
By the time the supposed Ti releases, that will only be a matter of months away.
Edit: too slow!!
I really don't agree with the scale or logic that they use for the following reasons (and I am using MSRP's of all cards as it's the only real base reference we have):
1) The 2080Ti was significantly faster (around 35%) than the next faster graphics card at the time of release that was the 2080. The 2080Ti cost 70% more at $1199 than the 2080 which cost $699. That is 70% more cost for 35% more performance.
2) In comparison, the 3090 is a piddling 10-15% faster on average than the 3080. The 3090 costs an astonishing 115% more at $1499 than the 3080 which costs $699. That is a horrific 115% more cost for at best 15% more performance.
In reality, when weighing up the launch prices and performance, the 3090 is so much worse value than the 2080Ti was, that it's not even funny. It's imo the worst price/performance high-end (if gaming is the only objective) card they have ever released, especially because the 3080 is priced so well vs the relative performance.
The 3080Ti should be 40-50% or so cheaper if it goes for the MSRP of $999 and performance will be very similar. Yes you are right that there may be a wait (but it may be that they are pumping out way more cards as we speak to avoid a repeat of the initial Ampere launch), and not everyone is prepared to just throw money at something out of impatience.
In the end though if your gaming time is worth that much to you then who gives a **** what anyone else thinks... it's your money so do what you want with it! People certainly waste far more more money than what a 3090 costs on far less fun or constructive things.
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Soldato
Well I prefer to use the logic and scaling of a trusted reviewer with millions of followers. Anyone can choose their own logic and have an opinion I suppose. GAming/real world performance (I dont play benchmarks) it's only about 15% over the 2080. HUB's logic compares both manufacturers fairly. Your logic is only if you buy Nvidia cards.
Before the 2080ti was released the 2080 was the worst perf/frame card, Turing was terrible value for money - period.
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No, the logic is flawed because it doesn’t take account for the time passed. A 3080/3090 wasn’t available to buy when the 2080ti was a current product. The 2080ti also isn’t a current product anymore.
You can only compare like that when you are looking at cards which are available at the same time. Comparing frame per dollar on cards from different generations is always going to make the newer cards look better.
By the logic your applying the 980 would be horrendous value for money compared to a 3080, which it is if you bought it today at RRP. However, when the 980 was a current product the 3080 wasn’t available so it can really only be compared against the 970 and the 980ti etc.
You need to look at the differential between cards in the same family. The 3090 has a much smaller performance differential and a higher price differential against a 3080 compared to a 2080 and 2080ti, ergo its significantly worse value than a 2080ti was when it was released.
When the 4080 is released it’s going to be significantly faster than 3090 for 40% of the cost. If it isn’t nvidia will be in trouble given AMDs latest performance and pace. You could have a 4060ti being faster than a 3090, certainly the 4070 will be.
You can only compare like that when you are looking at cards which are available at the same time. Comparing frame per dollar on cards from different generations is always going to make the newer cards look better.
By the logic your applying the 980 would be horrendous value for money compared to a 3080, which it is if you bought it today at RRP. However, when the 980 was a current product the 3080 wasn’t available so it can really only be compared against the 970 and the 980ti etc.
You need to look at the differential between cards in the same family. The 3090 has a much smaller performance differential and a higher price differential against a 3080 compared to a 2080 and 2080ti, ergo its significantly worse value than a 2080ti was when it was released.
When the 4080 is released it’s going to be significantly faster than 3090 for 40% of the cost. If it isn’t nvidia will be in trouble given AMDs latest performance and pace. You could have a 4060ti being faster than a 3090, certainly the 4070 will be.
Soldato
2080ti worst value and 3090 2nd worst. Neither of them are good. I just thought the crown went to the 2080ti. That is all. Chop it up how you want to fit how ever you view it.
Where you get that^^ from?
Where you get that^^ from?
Soldato
The 3080Ti should be 40-50% or so cheaper if it goes for the MSRP of $999 and performance will be very similar. Yes you are right that there may be a wait (but it may be that they are pumping out way more cards as we speak to avoid a repeat of the initial Ampere launch), and not everyone is prepared to just throw money at something out of impatience.
In the end though if your gaming time is worth that much to you then who gives a **** what anyone else thinks... it's your money so do what you want with it! People certainly waste far more more money than what a 3090 costs on far less fun or constructive things.
You are absolutely right dog, though I think the price of non-FE cards will creep higher than your suggesting i.e. ROG Strix etc and it will again be in demand so expect them prices to be more. As @b0rn2sk8 mentioned above you cant say the Ti will be anything yet because it is not available the main question being when. Until you can get them your still fighting for drips of 3080's and yes people bought he 3090's as they got fed up with queues and gouging. I am just pointing out the Ti brigade can laugh at the price right now but if its only available months after then is £300 saved such a big bonus when you have lost 6 months of 'waiting' time. All that will carry on is soon you may aswell wait for the Hopper stuff as that is only another x months away and 'better value'.
The most practical way to judge their relative value is at the time when they were released vs the other cards they were released against within their generation... who cares what value the 2080Ti is nowadays at RRP vs Ampere when it has clearly been superceded and is now a generation old? I am comparing the release of the 2080Ti vs the release of the 3090 and in this regard my logic is very sound.
It's not really suprising that a card which is close to 4 years old has worse performance per dollar than a card released 3.5 years later at the same price, just progress
Exactly...
Yeah the MSRP's are just BS in practical terms, but they are the only constant and "official" figure we have. I wouldn't be surprised if Hopper is delayed as a result of all of this launch FUBAR.
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Soldato
It's not really suprising that a card which is close to 4 years old has worse performance per dollar than a card released 3.5 years later at the same price, just progress
Soldato
The 3080FE remains the best value card, if you got one. The only weakness is its VRAM which we dont know if that will ever be a thing just a possibility. I just mention the 3080Ti is all well and good saying its better value but is it really?
I only agree waiting would be sensible in normal market conditions. Where waiting makes sense is for example buying cyberpunk, its full of bugs needs optimising and is very expensive on launch. Of course those that bought it for day one are paying for that privilege but as long as they are happy, who cares? You could argue picking it up later at half the price with better gameplay is the sensible choice.. it depends on how you view the purchase.
I only agree waiting would be sensible in normal market conditions. Where waiting makes sense is for example buying cyberpunk, its full of bugs needs optimising and is very expensive on launch. Of course those that bought it for day one are paying for that privilege but as long as they are happy, who cares? You could argue picking it up later at half the price with better gameplay is the sensible choice.. it depends on how you view the purchase.
Its obvious isn’t it? That’s what makes the 3090 even worse value. It’s only 10% faster than a 3080 are more than twice the price.
Nvidia will already have next gen silicone in testing e.g. a 4080. If it’s only 10% faster than a 3080 Nvidia will be in trouble, serious trouble. It’s fairly clear to me that a 4080 isn’t going to have any trouble beating a 3090 in performance.
Given how much closer the cards are together this generation you are going to see the lower-mid range cards with =>3090 performance next time round. The gap between the 3070 and 3090 is about the same as the gap between the 2080 and the 2080ti last time round (30%ish).
Unless they intentionally hinder the 80 series and below cards, I can easily see a 4070 having a decent bump over a 3090 and an equivalent 4060ti will be close to or better than. The problem is if they do hinder them, they’ll have very little uplift over the 30 series and no one will buy them like what happens with the 20 series.
£1500+ GPU owners just need to reside themselves to the fact that you’ll get the same or better performance for £400-£500 next time round.
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