NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards

chaparral · 25 Apr 2020 at 17:50

Quartz said:
The next generation of consoles apparently have the performance of a RTX 2080 or 2080 Super and are expected to cost around £500. After their release, expect to purchase 2080 Ti level performance for much less than that. That's going to be the competition. Why buy a GPU when you can buy a whole console for much less? Nvidia have a very small window - really from now until September - in which to charge 2018 / 2019 prices for their GPUs. After September the schools will have re-started and people will be looking at Christmas.

Who cares about crappy consoles :confused:

Why does some people even think the price of a console will effect GPU prices.
You been able to buy an xbox one or PS4 console for around £200 or even less for last few years and i haven't seen any GPU prices drop due to this

So why do these people think a new gen console will make the new gen GPU's prices drop :confused:

tyler_jrb · 25 Apr 2020 at 18:14

chaparral said:
Who cares about crappy consoles

Why does some people even think the price of a console will effect GPU prices.
You been able to buy an xbox one or PS4 console for around £200 or even less for last few years and i haven't seen any GPU prices drop due to this

So why do these people think a new gen console will make the new gen GPU's prices drop

+1. And at the forefront of all that power you're still left with a console with obvious console limitations.

Next gen for both sides is going to be pretty massive IMO. Considering at the absolute worst we will be seeing 3070=2080Ti. XSX/PS5 will equal a 3060 or less? That £6-700 XSX pricetag with expensive storage upgrade won't sound so appetizing then.

TNA · 25 Apr 2020 at 18:18

chaparral said:
Who cares about crappy consoles

Why does some people even think the price of a console will effect GPU prices.
You been able to buy an xbox one or PS4 console for around £200 or even less for last few years and i haven't seen any GPU prices drop due to this

So why do these people think a new gen console will make the new gen GPU's prices drop

I recon it will have some impact, how much I do not know. The new consoles having ssd's (and games that will be designed from ground up to make full use of it) and good enough hardware to run on 4K TV's mean unless you are into types of games where having a keyboard and mouse then a console is now again a series consideration. As a PC gamer myself if Nvidia and AMD price their card silly, I will stick with what I got again for another gen or eventually pick up something cheap on members market.

Plus by calling the new consoles crappy one is essentially saying £600-£700 GPU's are crappy as they are meant to be 2080 performance. When did that performance become crappy?

Quartz · 25 Apr 2020 at 18:57

chaparral said:
Why does some people even think the price of a console will effect GPU prices.

Because those consoles will deliver 4k 60 fps gaming. So when Jane Blow is in the market she will compare the cost of a console with the cost of a PC and the PC will have to be competitive.

chaparral · 25 Apr 2020 at 19:01

TNA said:
Plus by calling the new consoles crappy one is essentially saying £600-£700 GPU's are crappy as they are meant to be 2080 performance. When did that performance become crappy?

Ok i admit crappy was the really the wrong word for them..

It just that i look at consoles as really being more of just a simple gaming machine for a quick bit of lay back on the settee gaming

chaparral · 25 Apr 2020 at 19:09

Come think of it
Why has this thread gone back to talking about consoles yet again

The Old School Gamer · 25 Apr 2020 at 19:17

KentMan said:
I fully expect Nvidia to push out the following

3080ti = 15% faster than 2080ti for £200+ more than 2080ti launch price, this leaves them room for a beastmode Titan Amp card at £2k

3080 = the 2080ti performance at £900
3070 = 2080 perf £750
3060 = 2070s performance £500

Think I'm going to phone the suicide hotline again for cheering up lol.

ljt · 25 Apr 2020 at 20:08

chaparral said:
Ok i admit crappy was the really the wrong word for them..

It just that i look at consoles as really being more of just a simple gaming machine for a quick bit of lay back on the settee gaming

which is all I pretty much use my PC for....

Grim5 · 25 Apr 2020 at 20:45

tyler_jrb said:
The main thing is this is an enthusiast forum and people owning 2080S or Ti’s in the real world for gaming is tiny in comparison to the people here.

Most people will upgrade/purchase something like a 1660 super or 2060/2070 Super and those cards will last a number of years before upgrading.

Reading the graphics forum here for the last few months it seems all OC UK members own 2080ti/2080/1080ti/Radeon 7/5700xt etc. basically the top 5% of the market is on this forum

Grim5 · 25 Apr 2020 at 20:50

chaparral said:
Who cares about crappy consoles

Why does some people even think the price of a console will effect GPU prices.
You been able to buy an xbox one or PS4 console for around £200 or even less for last few years and i haven't seen any GPU prices drop due to this

So why do these people think a new gen console will make the new gen GPU's prices drop

belive it or not, not everyone playing games on a pc thinks like you. Some people will actually switch to a console if it provides an experience that the pc cannot match without spending more money

Now a lot of pc gamers are willing to accept paying a bit more for mods, web browsing porn, word document editing etc but not a whole lot more, if the price difference is large many will drop the pc by holding onto their current pc and never upgrading it while a console becomes their gaming utility of choice

Quartz · 25 Apr 2020 at 21:15

chaparral said:
Why does some people even think the price of a console will effect GPU prices.

For MS Office work at home, browsing, and email even a Core 2 Duo will work just fine. Indeed, I have one such box in the cupboard as a spare. Now, if that were all I had and I wanted to game, I would compare the prices of a console and a new gaming PC. Guess which wins?

chaparral said:
You been able to buy an xbox one or PS4 console for around £200 or even less for last few years

And you get 1080p 30 fps whereas with a PC you get 60 fps and it's a cheap upgrade. A GTX 1650 will outperform an XBox One.

chaparral · 25 Apr 2020 at 21:16

Grim5 said:
belive it or not, not everyone playing games on a pc thinks like you. Some people will actually switch to a console if it provides an experience that the pc cannot match without spending more money

Now a lot of pc gamers are willing to accept paying a bit more for mods, web browsing porn, word document editing etc but not a whole lot more, if the price difference is large many will drop the pc by holding onto their current pc and never upgrading it while a console becomes their gaming utility of choice

I really think it boils down to what games you play

Some examples maybe
Driving games = Console
Flight sims/C&C etc type games = PC

First person shooters = some people are fine with a gamepad and some people hate playing them with a gamepad

HRL · 25 Apr 2020 at 21:22

ljt said:
which is all I pretty much use my PC for....

+1, using an XBox controller.

RusstheDroog · 25 Apr 2020 at 21:37

Why are inflated prices the new normal now? Up until the 10xx generation the pricing structure for the x70, x80 and x80ti was fairly consistent give or take a bit for currency value. At least for 5 or 6 consistent product cycles.

I get this is an enthusiast forum and ( I assume) the majority are at high end, or the higher end of mid tier; but it seems the general opinion here now is that we're doomed / willing to accept elevated prices for high end NVidia products.

It's absolute garbage.

Jacky60 · 25 Apr 2020 at 22:15

Quartz said:
The next generation of consoles apparently have the performance of a RTX 2080 or 2080 Super and are expected to cost around £500. After their release, expect to purchase 2080 Ti level performance for much less than that. That's going to be the competition. Why buy a GPU when you can buy a whole console for much less? Nvidia have a very small window - really from now until September - in which to charge 2018 / 2019 prices for their GPUs. After September the schools will have re-started and people will be looking at Christmas.

+1

Twinz · 25 Apr 2020 at 22:25

chaparral said:
I really think it boils down to what games you play

Some examples maybe
Driving games = Console
Flight sims/C&C etc type games = PC

First person shooters = some people are fine with a gamepad and some people hate playing them with a gamepad

If the new consoles work with my sim titles/hardware and drive the newer HMD's (VR) at 90fps, Nvidia will have to compete for my money, or lose another customer.

There's stuff I want to do and I don't care if it's on a PC or a console. The current consoles can't do the job, so I'm running a 1080Ti on a PC. Once something else can do the job and costs less money, Nvidia can compete or pound sand.

Jacky60 · 25 Apr 2020 at 22:26

[QUOTE="chaparral, post: 33549518, member: 44
Why has this thread gone back to talking about consoles yet again

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Probably because their seems widespread acceptance that Nvidia are going to take the p$$ with prices again and enough people will accept it to allow them to get away with it. Therefore those who refuse to accept an abusive relationship from their long term GPU partner are looking to see who else can give them what they want. If I have to move to the living room to play MS flight sim 2020 I will.

Jacky60 · 25 Apr 2020 at 22:27

I'm 1080ti SLI 4K but I'm happy to wait for value.

Jacky60 · 25 Apr 2020 at 22:31

RusstheDroog said:
Why are inflated prices the new normal now? Up until the 10xx generation the pricing structure for the x70, x80 and x80ti was fairly consistent give or take a bit for currency value. At least for 5 or 6 consistent product cycles.

I get this is an enthusiast forum and ( I assume) the majority are at high end, or the higher end of mid tier; but it seems the general opinion here now is that we're doomed / willing to accept elevated prices for high end NVidia products.

It's absolute garbage.

Totally agree, if I worked for Nvidia's marketing department I'd look at threads like this and conclude 'yes they're as daft as we thought, lets bump the price up even further'!

chaparral · 25 Apr 2020 at 22:31

RusstheDroog said:
Why are inflated prices the new normal now? Up until the 10xx generation the pricing structure for the x70, x80 and x80ti was fairly consistent give or take a bit for currency value. At least for 5 or 6 consistent product cycles.

I get this is an enthusiast forum and ( I assume) the majority are at high end, or the higher end of mid tier; but it seems the general opinion here now is that we're doomed / willing to accept elevated prices for high end NVidia products.

It's absolute garbage.

I blame it on too many people bought the first £1000 Titans so that let Nvidia know people where very willing to pay £1000 for a GPU

I even think Nvidia had a shock at how many people were willing to pay £1000 for that first Titan GPU