NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

There shan’t be a cheaper flag ship though.

After looking at the latest GPU prices i don't think they care

Over the last month or so where most people had pay cuts. Lost there jobs, Not working, etc GPU's have gone up £100 or so

Well if there is a big global recession,worse than the 2008 one,then if companies want to keep jacking up the price of stuff,it's going to end up with longterm problems for them. Even if people buy the more expensive GPUs,they will keep them longer and longer,which is why Apple introduced its cheaper model,as people are hanging onto their phones longer and longer. Apple's sales share of the market is slowly decreasing year by year.

Companies like Nvidia and Apple want people to buy expensive items and upgrade them frequently,ie,so high margins and high sales.

If businesses don't rebound and unemployment figures go up and taxes,etc have to go up for trillions of Dollars/Pounds/Euro of borrowing Europe and the US has made,I have a feeling a lot of tech companies are going to start feeling the pinch within the next 12~24 months.

People will tend to hold onto money and prioritise essential spends over luxury items,such as a slightly better computer,and do less big spends.

Remember,this is the whole world going through this,not just us,and the vast majority of people buying gaming computers are not hardware enthusiasts. Look at the Steam figures,and most people are not on over £400 graphics cards. They are limited by budget.

Also during the last global recession we had the 8800GT,HD4870,HD5870,GTX460,etc. Before then prices were also starting to rise. Prices started to rebound when things started to get a bit better.

 

[BigBANGtheory]

basically we don't really know anything yet beyond its coming and when we do know it will have been timed to maximum effect to maximise Nvidia's profits.

personally I think Nvidia will produce the next line of consumer GPUs in very limited quantities at Turing prices hold back the Ti and if they get trumped on price they will release a new line with some reduction in capability but far more competitive. Nvidia love to test and challenge the market.

2080Ti raw perf for £750-800 is exactly what they will try and do with some fluff around feature improvements like 2x RTX.

Some difficult decisions ahead but that's where I fundamentally think we are going. The key unknowns at this point is AMD's capability and intentions around disrupting 4k

 

[3t3P]

Selling 1080Ti now for £500 when people can get a new rtx 2070S for the same money don't see it happening buddy sorry.

Knock off £100 maybe

 

[opethdisciple]

basically we don't really know anything yet beyond its coming and when we do know it will have been timed to maximum effect to maximise Nvidia's profits.

personally I think Nvidia will produce the next line of consumer GPUs in very limited quantities at Turing prices hold back the Ti and if they get trumped on price they will release a new line with some reduction in capability but far more competitive. Nvidia love to test and challenge the market.

2080Ti raw perf for £750-800 is exactly what they will try and do with some fluff around feature improvements like 2x RTX.

Some difficult decisions ahead but that's where I fundamentally think we are going. The key unknowns at this point is AMD's capability and intentions around disrupting 4k

That would sell like hot cakes tho. 2x RTX performance with 2080ti level rasterisation for £750 and I'd buy one!

Even tho we are still being shafted here, because £750 is in all truth almost double what we have historically paid for top end performance.

My 1080 cost me £450 and I'm saying "Wooo I will pay almost double that now"

 

[markoboyo11]

Think i will be sticking with my 1080ti and get a ps5 sick of nvidias ridiculous prices.

Yep, if I can't get 50% more performance than my 1080ti for £500 I will buy a ps5.

 

[Jacky60]

That would sell like hot cakes tho. 2x RTX performance with 2080ti level rasterisation for £750 and I'd buy one!

Even tho we are still being shafted here, because £750 is in all truth almost double what we have historically paid for top end performance.

My 1080 cost me £450 and I'm saying "Wooo I will pay almost double that now"

That would sell like hot cakes tho. 2x RTX performance with 2080ti level rasterisation for £750 and I'd buy one!

Even tho we are still being shafted here, because £750 is in all truth almost double what we have historically paid for top end performance.

My 1080 cost me £450 and I'm saying "Wooo I will pay almost double that now"

Weakling, stay strong! 2080ti rasterization 2xRTX is £500 no more!

 

[melmac]

First Gen tech is always mad expensive. And Nvidia introduced two new techs in Turing, the RT cores and the Tensor cores.

They have already laid the ground work for supporting DX12 Ultimate.

I think the the Ampere cards will be cheaper than what the original Turing cards launched at.

$899 for the 3080Ti.
$649 for the 3080.
$459 for the 3070.
$349 for the 3060.

 

[Kaapstad]

First Gen tech is always mad expensive. And Nvidia introduced two new techs in Turing, the RT cores and the Tensor cores.

They have already laid the ground work for supporting DX12 Ultimate.

I think the the Ampere cards will be cheaper than what the original Turing cards launched at.

$899 for the 3080Ti.
$649 for the 3080.
$459 for the 3070.
$349 for the 3060.

Tensor cores were introduced with Volta and my Titan V uses them.

As to the price for the 3080 Ti when it turns up, it is still going to ridiculously expensive if it is going to have a 30% performance increase over a 2080 Ti.

 

[Guest2]

Selling 1080Ti now for £500 when people can get a new rtx 2070S for the same money don't see it happening buddy sorry.

Knock off £100 maybe

I only did a quick check on ebay where some were fetching £500

 

[FoxEye]

LOL you're just taking the ****.

I know right? Those prices are way too low!

 

[bru]

Price who knows.
Personally I reckon a little cheaper but not by much, maybe just under the magical £1000 for the Ti variant.

Performance, well some seem to want to sell NVidia short here by quite a bit.
Think of it this way, when AMD brought us a new architecture (completely revised GCN read RDNA) on 7nm they were capable of bringing us a 70% up lift (590 ----5700xt) and yet people think that NVidia also moving to a 7nm process possible even a 7nm EUV is only going to give us 15%.

Really I don't think so.
Ampere is a total unknown architecture wise at this point, yes it will be a evolution of Turing but NVidia have brought us a new architecture each generation in the past and there is no reason to believe Ampere will be any different.

 

[Twinz]

Over the course of ~7 years, performance that once cost $700 came down in price to just $80. (GTX 590>>>RX470)

We get a few years of stagnation and a lot of people seem to forget how generational progress works. I'm sure Nvidia would love this consumer amnesia to continue, but it will only take a little competition to get things moving in the right direction again.

 

[CuriousTomCat]

What incentive will encourage Nvidia to lower prices though? Jensen Huang only has to browse a forum like this to see how may people will pay top dollar for good performance.

Some of you think the 2080ti is too expensive so you bought the 2070 Super instead. Nvidia still got a sale out of you. They didn't need to give you 2080ti performance for the price you paid for the 2070 Super.

Nvidia can charge what they like for the 3080ti and they'll be a tier for everyone. They can't loose. People don't vote with there wallets because they think one more sale won't change anything.

 

[Quartz]

What incentive will encourage Nvidia to lower prices though?

The next generation of consoles apparently have the performance of a RTX 2080 or 2080 Super and are expected to cost around £500. After their release, expect to purchase 2080 Ti level performance for much less than that. That's going to be the competition. Why buy a GPU when you can buy a whole console for much less? Nvidia have a very small window - really from now until September - in which to charge 2018 / 2019 prices for their GPUs. After September the schools will have re-started and people will be looking at Christmas.

 

[TNA]

First Gen tech is always mad expensive. And Nvidia introduced two new techs in Turing, the RT cores and the Tensor cores.

They have already laid the ground work for supporting DX12 Ultimate.

I think the the Ampere cards will be cheaper than what the original Turing cards launched at.

$899 for the 3080Ti.
$649 for the 3080.
$459 for the 3070.
$349 for the 3060.

+1

 

[Sargatanas2511]

That would sell like hot cakes tho. 2x RTX performance with 2080ti level rasterisation for £750 and I'd buy one!

Even tho we are still being shafted here, because £750 is in all truth almost double what we have historically paid for top end performance.

My 1080 cost me £450 and I'm saying "Wooo I will pay almost double that now"

You have to remember inflation has happened in that time. I know it's not going to cover the jump in cost and Nvidia are definitely gouging but a £450 card in 2016 would not be £450 now anyway. Plus development and production costs are increasing massively.

According to the bank of England, £450 in 2016 was £494 in 2019, averaging 3.2% inflation per year.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Nvidia gross and net margins are now similar to what they had during mining but with no mining,and 2/3 of revenue from gaming. They are higher than Intel now,and more than Apple.Whatever price increases have easily swamped any actual increase in their costs.

I know right? Those prices are way too low!

Yes,way too low! They can increase the price higher and higher people can then moan about consoles being lead platforms and holding back PC gaming,not realising it's as much mainstream GPU performance jumps becoming stagnant.

 

[Sargatanas2511]

Nvidia gross and net margins are now similar to what they had during mining but with no mining,and 2/3 of revenue from gaming. They are higher than Intel now,and more than Apple.Whatever price increases have easily swamped any actual increase in their costs.

I agree and would never argue that. I just see people expecting cards to stay the same price generation after generation and it'll never happen anyway just because of cost increases and inflation.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I agree and would never argue that. I just see people expecting cards to stay the same price generation after generation and it'll never happen anyway just because of cost increases and inflation.

Yes,we need to not only take into consideration inflation but exchange rate differences! The GPUs are priced in USD,so we get a double whammy here. Although that helped during the time of Crysis as the exchange rate was in our favour!

 

[tyler_jrb]

What incentive will encourage Nvidia to lower prices though? Jensen Huang only has to browse a forum like this to see how may people will pay top dollar for good performance.

Some of you think the 2080ti is too expensive so you bought the 2070 Super instead. Nvidia still got a sale out of you. They didn't need to give you 2080ti performance for the price you paid for the 2070 Super.

Nvidia can charge what they like for the 3080ti and they'll be a tier for everyone. They can't loose. People don't vote with there wallets because they think one more sale won't change anything.

The main thing is this is an enthusiast forum and people owning 2080S or Ti’s in the real world for gaming is tiny in comparison to the people here.

Most people will upgrade/purchase something like a 1660 super or 2060/2070 Super and those cards will last a number of years before upgrading.