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Quartz said:
I have not found it. Yes, of course the 90 million includesmultiple account holders, but I doubt there are that many of them. And there are 19 million people using Steam RIGHT NOW.

Anyway the issue was high-end gamers being in decline. Do you have any evidence to justify @beany_bot's assertion?
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I've posted my thoughts already. There is more to it than just looking at the numbers of people logged in to steam to determine "high end gaming is or is not in decline".
look at the number of concurrent users actually in game the last few years, has it increased?. Look at the games those people are playing, Do they require "high end gaming pcs"?.

I'm logged into Steam (have been everyday for a long time), my last game played on it was shadow of tomb raider in early June. Does that mean I have a high end gaming PC and I am looking to splash money on an upgrade?
 
weldon855 said:
I've posted my thoughts already. There is more to it than just looking at the numbers of people logged in to steam to determine "high end gaming is or is not in decline".
look at the number of concurrent users actually in game the last few years, has it increased?. Look at the games those people are playing, Do they require "high end gaming pcs"?.

I'm logged into Steam (have been everyday for a long time), my last game played on it was shadow of tomb raider in early June. Does that mean I have a high end gaming PC and I am looking to splash money on an upgrade?
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Of course it has increased at the same rate as the total online users. How could it not increase? Steam is just one plaform on PC and personally I haven't been on steam this month as I've been playing warzone on battlenet and for honor on uplay. The size of the pc gaming ecosystem is absolutely insane these days.

weldon855 said:
If everyone is a streamer who watches the streams?:D
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Kids watching streamers with awesome gaming rigs makes them want to get into pc gaming. My 8 year old nephew wants a gaming pc because his favorite streamers all have gaming pcs. Even kids these days know that owing a console is nothing to brag about.

It takes some special kind of mental gymnastics to believe that increased prices of hardware and profits, increased userbase and companies all fighting for a scrap of the pc market (epic, microsoft, sony etc) somehow means that pc gaming is on a decline :confused: The demand for hardware is just unprecedented.
 
Its not due to anything special though (like interest in PC games). Look at the size of the population on the planet - its growing, then theres an epidemic where in the past 6 months its all been locked down in most countries - encouraging people to buy second hand and in stock hardware till its virtually dried up. People havnt been able to go out, hence stay in gaming.

This is not a good indicator for PC gaming booming. I wouldnt be negative and say its declining, but its certainly not sunny day exponential growth. Theres too many devices to soak up the noise, phones, tablets, consoles. Laptops were started to be portrayed as dying not so long ago - HP, Toshiba, Sony all selling their segment of that business (only the virus has made people buy them again as they work from home).
 
McGraw said:
I agree with this. Capitalism is a stage we need to get past.
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Why? Do you like eating half a bowl of rice a day while the local commissar pays your Mrs a visit in exchange for some nylon tights?

Greed is an inherent feature of mankind, Socialism is greed on steroids, but Free Market Capitalism is the only economic system devised so far where one mans greed can benefit another. As the only way for the greedy man to get rich is to create something of value to others and trade it in voluntary exchange.

It's not Capitalism we need to get past - it's government meddling in economies because "they know best".
 
Marak said:
Why? Do you like eating half a bowl of rice a day while the local commissar pays your Mrs a visit in exchange for some nylon tights?

Greed is an inherent feature of mankind, Socialism is greed on steroids, but Free Market Capitalism is the only economic system devised so far where one mans greed can benefit another. As the only way for the greedy man to get rich is to create something of value to others and trade it in voluntary exchange.

It's not Capitalism we need to get past - it's government meddling in economies because "they know best".
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We need to get past one persons greed full stop. Socialism breaks down due to corruption inherent in human nature I do agree on that point or where you were going....

Personally I think there should be calorific values on all consumable product incl. alcohol so people know

Goods should come with margin% so people know behind the marketing what they are being sold

Anyone in a charge of a company or public position should have their income open to scrutiny

that seems sensible to me, we don't hide **** but at the same time we don't force people to behave in certain ways beyond those that are illegal

probelm solved - vote for me :)
 
On topic - does anyone know if Ampere will be capable of connecting at 4k, fully 10-bit (no chroma sub-sampling), HDR and 120Hz over HDMI 2.1?
 
NZXT30 said:
Of course it has increased at the same rate as the total online users. How could it not increase? Steam is just one plaform on PC and personally I haven't been on steam this month as I've been playing warzone on battlenet and for honor on uplay. The size of the pc gaming ecosystem is absolutely insane these days.



Kids watching streamers with awesome gaming rigs makes them want to get into pc gaming. My 8 year old nephew wants a gaming pc because his favorite streamers all have gaming pcs. Even kids these days know that owing a console is nothing to brag about.

It takes some special kind of mental gymnastics to believe that increased prices of hardware and profits, increased userbase and companies all fighting for a scrap of the pc market (epic, microsoft, sony etc) somehow means that pc gaming is on a decline :confused: The demand for hardware is just unprecedented.
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I'm not disputing that...I'm saying that looking at the number of users logged in to steam at any one time isn't indicative of anything. I am well aware of other ways to play games on PC, Epic, EA Uplay, Blizzard etc.

this is what I was looking at obtained through one of the articles in the other posts. It was posted as some kind of "look at this PC gaming is growing off the scale".
https://steamdb.info/app/753/graphs/


I simply highlighted that the number of people "logged in" to steam(and the number of steam accounts) was growing but not the number of people playing a game on steam. And the significant growth matches the release of PUBG and COVID lockdown.

And to be clear at no point did I say that PC gaming was in decline? (I don't think I did anyway). I was just nitpicking at the steam data posted because if anything it highlights that most people are playing much older games that don't need expensive hardware.

But this has gone way off topic
 
JediFragger said:
You're thinking OLED yes? No-one is sure on the 10-bit yet, they tend to keep that option for their Tesla cards iirc (but 8 and 12 are do-able on gaming from what I remember from reading about it). I guess it depends how generous nVidia are feeling!
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really obscure decision from Nvidia. I hope they allow 10bit since consoles do it - most importantly, HDR is mastered for 10bit color and being stuck with 8 is why HDR looks so poor on PC compared to consoles. 12 but is ridiculous, there are no 12bit gaming monitors or tvs
 
JediFragger said:
You're thinking OLED yes? No-one is sure on the 10-bit yet, they tend to keep that option for their Tesla cards iirc (but 8 and 12 are do-able on gaming from what I remember from reading about it). I guess it depends how generous nVidia are feeling!
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Yeah, if I drop resolution to 1080p it gives the option of 8 or 12 bit and I would prefer right in the middle! (not that I'm sure I'd ever use it, but if the display is capable I would like the option)

Edit: That's on Turing ofc.
 
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