NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards

ALXAndy · 29 Aug 2020 at 18:30

Devrij said:
It's not that easy to just knock up a new product if you weren't planning it. I'm not sure I buy that line of thinking.

It is when you started with something absolutely massive and then start portioning it out for desktop use.

Ampere was released ages ago.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 29 Aug 2020 at 18:32

The GTX1080(2nd3rd tier GPU) was faster than the GTX980TI/Titan X. GTX980(2nd/3rd tier GPU) was faster than a GTX780TI. GTX670(2nd tier) was faster than a GTX580. GTX570(2nd tier) was faster than a GTX285. People have such low expectations nowadays,it seems Turing marketing has worked on them,when they think a 80 series GPU being faster than the previous flagship is some magnificant achievement. It shows you short a memory enthusiasts have.

With a new process node,a RTX3080 should be at least quicker than an RTX2080TI.

The GTX1080TI was 75% faster than a GTX980TI and that was the last flagship from Nvidia on a new node.

A GTX1080 was nearly 40% faster than a GTX980TI.

The GTX1070 was 12% faster than a GTX980TI,and only very overclocked GTX980TI cards could realistically match it.

So a RTX3090,RTX3080 and RTX3070 should all beat an RTX2080TI,otherwise it will be a worse generational improvement than Pascal was over the wonderful Maxwell GPUs.

ALXAndy · 29 Aug 2020 at 18:33

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
The GTX1080 was faster than the GTX980TI/Titan X. GTX980 was faster than a GTX780TI. GTX670 was faster than a GTX580. GTX570 was faster than a GTX285. People have such low expectations nowadays,it seems Turing marketing has worked on them,when they think a 80 series GPU is faster than the previous flagship is some magnificant achievement. It shows you short a memory enthusiasts have.

Indeed. At that time Nvidia were competing with, well, themselves. Incremental launches. This is the first monumental launch in years and every one is whining. You couldn't make it up LOL.

DmitryD · 29 Aug 2020 at 18:35

RavenXXX2 said:
Next gen console ports will be extremely vram intensive, no way will I be splashing 800 quid for a 10gb paperweight at 4k gaming.

+1

They'll benefit from very fast NVME to load data on demand, so in reality effective memory usage can be pushed even further.

Would take 2-3 years before top games go next gen only tho, so there is still hope for 5nm chiplets!

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 29 Aug 2020 at 18:41

ALXAndy said:
Indeed. At that time Nvidia were competing with, well, themselves. Incremental launches. This is the first monumental launch in years and every one is whining. You couldn't make it up LOL.

The issue is a RTX3070 needs to be quicker than a RTX2080TI too. Pascal was merely a die shrunk Maxwell with some fixes. If the RTX3070 can't at least match or beat an RTX2080TI,it will be a worse than Pascal improvement.

Pascal isn't special too - the GTX780TI was 81% faster than a GTX580 at 1080p:
https://tpucdn.com/review/nvidia-geforce-gtx-780-ti/images/perfrel_1920.gif

So for the last two full node die shrinks,we were looking at 70~80% generational improvements at the top end.

beany_bot · 29 Aug 2020 at 18:42

ALXAndy said:
They are not playing any one.

The 3090 is quite literally almost a Quadro. Content creators, encoders, renderers etc will all be rubbing their hands.

It is a halo product. Just like a Ferrari or Rolls. You don't have to buy one, nor get mad that it's too expensive. It is for HEDT, because workstations fell into the PC envelope years ago. You know HEDT? is every one mad because they can't afford a 3990x? no.

It isn't meant for you. Unless of course you either want more than you need or insist on 4k uber super duper. In which case? get your wallet out.

Funny how every one seems to be complaining about the 3090 but fail to realise that the 3080 is almost £600 less than most 2080Ti and should beat it quite handily. It will be better at RT, better at DLSS, and so those running 4k should find it much faster than the 2080Ti.

I repeat again, if it is not meant for you don't buy it.

It's a gaming, consumer, GPU mate. calm right down.

DmitryD · 29 Aug 2020 at 18:42

LoadsaMoney said:
Doubt anyone will be buying a Series X then, as thats only got 10GB too, ouch

It's got 16 GB GDDR6: 10GB @ 560 GB/s, 6GB @ 336 GB/s - with texture sample feedback they can easily place some of the rarer used textures into slower VRAM... and even less frequently used stream from NVME: in their research lots of textures almost never used.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 29 Aug 2020 at 18:44

MS said that they went for faster storage,as it was a more cost effective way to do things,than add more RAM to the system.

ALXAndy · 29 Aug 2020 at 18:45

beany_bot said:
It's a gaming, consumer, GPU mate. calm right down.

No, it isn't mate, and I am perfectly calm.

The 3990x is a "desktop" CPU. Why? because it is not an Epyc. It fits in very pretty desktop motherboards. It is HEDT. 64 cores, 128 threads totally ridiculous for normal case uses.

The 3090 is pretty much a Quadro. Meaning for rendering and so on it will be class leading at the price. It is almost identical to Threadripper. You seem to imply that there are no use cases for it *at all* aside from gaming which is clearly very wrong indeed.

Halo products cost, shock horror, money.

I said that Workstations bled into regular desktops years ago and I am spot on. If you built one now for rendering, encoding ETC it would likely be smashed all over with dragons or Aorus hawks and so on and would fit into a standard desktop case.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 29 Aug 2020 at 18:48

All these expensive consumer GPUs really ever do,is push up the rest of the range. So they exist to make the 80Ti,80 or 70 series look "more reasonably priced". Its a classic marketing tactic.

Edit!!

It has zero effect on me,as I have a budget,expectations of what performance improvements I want in a product,how long I might keep it for,etc. If it doesn't meet those expectations,I have no reason to buy it if the existing parts work fine.

If I can't run a newer game,then it can stay unplayed until my system is up to scratch then. They just expect people to be addicted to gaming and throw money at it.

4K8KW10 · 29 Aug 2020 at 18:50

ALXAndy said:
No, it isn't mate, and I am perfectly calm.

The 3990x is a "desktop" CPU. Why? because it is not an Epyc. It fits in very pretty desktop motherboards. It is HEDT. 64 cores, 128 threads totally ridiculous for normal case uses.

The 3090 is pretty much a Quadro. Meaning for rendering and so on it will be class leading at the price. It is almost identical to Threadripper. You seem to imply that there are no use cases for it *at all* aside from gaming which is clearly very wrong indeed.

Halo products cost, shock horror, money.

I said that Workstations bled into regular desktops years ago and I am spot on. If you built one now for rendering, encoding ETC it would likely be smashed all over with dragons or Aorus hawks and so on and would fit into a standard desktop case.

TITAN RTX is what you talking about. RTX 3090 will probably not be.
But you and every gamer will need the FPS produced by it.

The difference between CPUs like the Threadripper 3990X and GPUs which always give higher framerate.
You can't say that RTX 3090 would be totally ridiculous for normal use cases.

ALXAndy · 29 Aug 2020 at 18:53

4K8KW10 said:
TITAN RTX is what you talking about. RTX 3090 will probably not be.
But you and every gamer will need the FPS produced by it.

Were you actually serious when you said that? really? so every other card apart from the 3090 is going to be useless?

4K8KW10 said:
The difference between CPUs like the Threadripper 3990X and GPUs which always give higher framerate.
You can't say that RTX 3090 would be totally ridiculous for normal use cases.

There has always existed this phrase "Fast enough". Which you don't seem to understand, clearly.

4K8KW10 · 29 Aug 2020 at 18:54

ALXAndy said:
Were you actually serious when you said that? really? so every other card apart from the 3090 is going to be useless?

There has always existed this phrase "Fast enough". Which you don't seem to understand, clearly.

Say hello to the new game released next month which runs at 60 FPS with RTX 3090 at 1920x1080..

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 29 Aug 2020 at 18:55

There might be a Titan RTX,so it will be interesting to see if the RTX3090 uses a salvaged GA102.Also the difference between the RTX3090 and RTX3070 is around 17% in terms of the number of cores.

This tells me there is room for a RTX3080TI.

ALXAndy · 29 Aug 2020 at 18:55

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
All these expensive consumer GPUs really ever do,is push up the rest of the range. So they exist to make the 80Ti,80 or 70 series look "more reasonably priced". Its a classic marketing tactic.

Edit!!

It has zero effect on me,as I have a budget,expectations of what performance improvements I want in a product,how long I might keep it for,etc. If it doesn't meet those expectations,I have no reason to buy it if the existing parts work fine.

If I can't run a newer game,then it can stay unplayed until my system is up to scratch then. They just expect people to be addicted to gaming and throw money at it.

That is not true and you know it. Usually what they do is push down the prices of lower performing products. Like the 3080, which is £500+ less than the 2080Ti and should batter it.

Too many people are getting fixated on the halo card, and it is absolutely hilarious. Amazing how upset every one is getting. That is like discounting every single car in existence and insisting that hyper cars must be affordable for all. Sheesh.

Chuk_Chuk · 29 Aug 2020 at 18:56

ALXAndy said:
No, it isn't mate, and I am perfectly calm.

The 3990x is a "desktop" CPU. Why? because it is not an Epyc. It fits in very pretty desktop motherboards. It is HEDT. 64 cores, 128 threads totally ridiculous for normal case uses.

The 3090 is pretty much a Quadro. Meaning for rendering and so on it will be class leading at the price. It is almost identical to Threadripper. You seem to imply that there are no use cases for it *at all* aside from gaming which is clearly very wrong indeed.

Halo products cost, shock horror, money.

I said that Workstations bled into regular desktops years ago and I am spot on. If you built one now for rendering, encoding ETC it would likely be smashed all over with dragons or Aorus hawks and so on and would fit into a standard desktop case.

Quadros and RTX cards are cut from the same die, they are all technically the same. Every RTX card is better price to performance wise than a quadro. Just because professionals can use it doesn't justify the price increase. Aslo what happened to the Titan being the Halo "prosumer" card?

ALXAndy · 29 Aug 2020 at 18:56

4K8KW10 said:
Say hello to the new game released next month which runs at 60 FPS with RTX 3090 at 1920x1080..

Seriously, stop. You are exaggerating to hysterical levels.

4K8KW10 · 29 Aug 2020 at 18:58

ALXAndy said:
Seriously, stop. You are exaggerating to hysterical levels.

No:

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/red-dead-redemption-2-benchmark-test-performance-analysis/4.html

ALXAndy · 29 Aug 2020 at 18:58

Chuk_Chuk said:
Quadros and RTX cards cut from the same die, they are all technically the same. Every RTX card is better price to performance wise than a quadro. Just because professionals can use it doesn't justify the price increase. Aslo what happened to the Titan being the Halo "prosumer" card?

No I think you will find it *totally* justifies the price increase. Or rather, price stagnation. The price has not changed one penny from the 2080Ti, it is going to be (apparently) 40% faster for the same cost and you are acting like the world is about to end.

What happened to the Titan? it wasn't worth £1000 over a 2080Ti is what. Professionals would have just bought the 2080Ti.

DexterMorgan · 29 Aug 2020 at 18:59

in 2016 i bought my gtx1070 strix for 460 pounds right after the premiere with 8GB VRAM, what will i get in 2020 for ~~500 quid ? a 3060 with 6GB VRAM and perf of 2070 ?
now, that's is a perf improvement that we have not asked for... :/