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NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards
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I bought a 2070 Super for £418. Which was as fast as a 2080. So your math is off. You *should* be aiming at a 70 series card. If you don't like the launch price? don't pay it. I can see serious competition for the 3070 and below coming. You could have easily bought a 2070 Super this year for the exact same price. And it would smash your 1070.
There is no such thing "good enough" in the graphics world.
You can't even reach 144 Hz with RTX 2080 Ti at 1920x1080 in the same game.
There is always a better, faster monitor which will make your current top dog GPU look ridiculously slow.
There is, you are just greedy. And I don't care one jot about the performance of one game. You would be absolutely insane to buy a GPU at the price they are for one game. Fact is I can play that game on my £299 special edition Xbox 1x at 4k 30. Which, may come as upsetting to you, is more than fast enough for a game like that.
You really REALLY don't understand consumer tech pricing. You think that because a 2080ti is "x" faster than a 1080ti you can charge significantly more for it? Then where does that leave us in 10 years time? You should pay similar for the top, mid and lower tiers as the get relplaced. Otherwise the prices will just keep going up and up exponentially.
Well it's being released on PS4 and XBone too. So....
Nope, you don't understand business and economics. 1080Ti was 471mm2. The 2080Ti was 772mm2, and cost a fortune to produce. So the price increase was down to that, not performance.
If you don't like the performance jumps at the same price? don't buy. Quit PC gaming.
I just explained that you could have bought a 2070 Super for £418. £42 less than you paid for your 1070. Less money, for much more performance, in the same bracket as your card. Hint - the 2070 Super is faster than the 1080Ti. For less money.
So every gaming GPU should go up in price because professionals can use it? Because i have seen pros using all combinations of GPUs. This also includes pairing different Tiers and generations of cards.
Maybe Nvidia should have just priced the titan properly or make a proper prosumer line. Or maybe they should stop trying to rip off the professional market with the ridculous prices of the quadro.
Depends if you overpay again. My 1070 was £385.
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It is true,because that is what is a standard practice in many industries. Halo products don't sell that much,but what they do is help push up the price of the volume selling products upwards. Its all about making things look relatively better value,as all reviews will compare things to the halo products,not on their own merits.
If you don't believe me look at how at one point a top end GPU like the GTX580 with a full fat large Nvidia die would cost the equivalent of £550 in todays money(if you use US inflation rates and current exchange rates).
The equivalent large die Nvidia GPU has double or even tripled in price. Their gross and net margins have outgrown any additional costs.
This has happened long before Nvidia and Titans. You see it everywhere. One of the areas you saw it was with watches. Omegas,etc were much cheaper relatively speaking 50 years ago,but by making high priced halo models,these companies started to slowly push up prices higher and higher,as everything was relative to the halo. It happened in Hifi too,top end Hifi was significantly cheaper 30 years ago,but they did the same. It works well as in every case,where this is done,companies push ASPs upwards. Its a very old tactic.
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I would argue only up until a certain point, you're talking literally a couple of ms difference from 165fps to 240fps and it gets less as you go up.. sure 120fps is noticeably better than 60 because you go from 16ms to 8 and only need 60fps more to get there.
It hasn't been released yet though, and declaring it a halo product means what for the non-halo parts. If the 3080 only does 5-10% above a 2080 Ti and cost $799, 849, 899... etc. Does that make the 3090 a halo part still, or is it now just the 2080 Ti replacement?
I got a 2070 for £35 less than that dude. Again, it is faster and again it would have been cheaper. Was a nice model too with a nice cooler.
I never pay launch prices. Not ever. Mostly because the drivers usually suck, there are issues with the BIOS and etc. I just wait for it all to settle down, including the prices, then buy.
It would be pretty nuts to buy any of these cards until AMD have had their say. Like it was to pay launch price for the 20 series. Hence I waited, and I got a 2070 for £350 (new, Asus) and a 2070 Super for £418 (KFA2). Neither broke the bank, and both hit 100 FPS at 1440p ultra easily in anything that needs a high FPS (like COD MW for example).
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Probably will be a Titan, as Nvidia only do them, but the 3090s, are being done by their AIBs too.
It doesn't need to be released the spec has, and has been confirmed.
I said pages ago that any one with a 2080Ti should not buy the 3080. By the time you make the huge loss on the 2080Ti and buy a 3080 the raw performance could be 15% better at best, and would not be worth the price premium. However. You are forgetting two things here. RTX and DLSS. Both of which the 3080 should be *far* better at, if they float your boat.
Personally I don't like RT as it sits, so I really don't care.
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Nvidia is holding back a bit IMHO. We will need to see if the RTX3090 uses a full fat GA102 or is a salvage part. For sure there is room for a RTX3080TI,due to the 17% core difference between the RTX3090 and RTX3080.
They are waiting and seeing how Big Navi performs. The RTX3090 probably will win. However,if Big Navi manages to best the RTX3080,expect Nvidia to launch a RTX3080TI.
If big Navi can't match an RTX3080,Nvidia will go "yay" and then sell bottom of the barrel GA102 salvaged parts for good money.
This is what they did with Kepler. They sold the cut down GTX780 for months,and the moment the R9 290X was out,they had the GTX780TI to compete with it.
They will always hold something back. Always. If they launched the 102 people would cry lmfao. It's absolutely enormous.
I fully expect to see another line of super cards when AMD have had their turn. Fully. They may just drop the Ti moniker now and stick with that.
There may well be another Titan too, however I do find it odd that they would release the desktop cards first. Or rather, the HEDT card first, then the Titan. Usually it's mid range, then the Titan, then the cut down Titan Ti card.
I don't know any one who stumped up the extra £800 notes and bought the RTX Titan apart from Kaap. And he collects them, and was the only person I know of who bought the Titan V. I thought I was stupid spending £1800 of someone else's money on the Kingpin which is faster than the Titan. I could have afforded a Titan, but the Kingpin was just better in all regards and came with a 240mm cooler, which saved me £350 in water cooling the entire rig.
I fully expect to see another line of super cards when AMD have had their turn. Fully. They may just drop the Ti moniker now and stick with that.
There may well be another Titan too, however I do find it odd that they would release the desktop cards first. Or rather, the HEDT card first, then the Titan. Usually it's mid range, then the Titan, then the cut down Titan Ti card.
I don't know any one who stumped up the extra £800 notes and bought the RTX Titan apart from Kaap. And he collects them, and was the only person I know of who bought the Titan V. I thought I was stupid spending £1800 of someone else's money on the Kingpin which is faster than the Titan. I could have afforded a Titan, but the Kingpin was just better in all regards and came with a 240mm cooler, which saved me £350 in water cooling the entire rig.
Ermmm, yes I am!
you don’t render reviews for YouTube anymore then ?