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Nor I. I mean, would you really stick it on a desk under 1m away from your face? At 67.78 PPI as well.... horrible. To put that into perspective, 1920x1080 @ 24" is 91.79 PPI.
32" to 40" would be perfect.
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NVIDIA - CES 2018
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Nor I. I mean, would you really stick it on a desk under 1m away from your face? At 67.78 PPI as well.... horrible. To put that into perspective, 1920x1080 @ 24" is 91.79 PPI.
32" to 40" would be perfect.
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Don't want to get into random analogies, they don't work. It's perfectly fair to blame the competition. If we truly had any, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Keeping in mind we're talking about high-end, or flagship products here. It is what it is, just don't see how you can call someone ignorant for admiring conglomerates making money.
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Vega at £829 is making NVidia look cheap at £680 for a 1080Ti. Prices have certainly gone through the roof for both and not what our wallets like to see. I doubt Volta will be cheap either.... Oh well, if it has good performance within my budget, I will get one. I was hoping for a bit more info but sadly lacking.
Ok, I see what you are coming from with this. But, it's not the same, I think you are confusing actual name changing schemes with marketing. For the x870 to x970 name change.There was some technical problem with TSMC or something. AMD had the 5700 cards that they couldn't replace at that price point with the 6700 cards. So they renamed the 6700 cards to the 6800 and the 6800 became the 6900. When TSMC got sorted they replaced the 5700 cards with the 6700 ones. It was nothing to do with adding an adding a seemingly extra Tier like Nvidia done when they renamed their mid range cards to x80/x70. The other change is exactly what Nvidia did when switching from the 9xxx cards to the 2xx cards. It was complete renaming scheme from top down. And, you know the reason that Vega cards are selling at £800 and that's because of mining.
But, maybe I am wrong and I have no problem with that. Here is what Nvidia have done.
Step 1. Rename mid range parts to x80/x70
Step 2. Introduce the Titan and x80Ti cards.
Step 3. Release x80/x70 cards first, make x80 cards much more expensive. More expensive than the performance difference would suggest.
Step 4. Release The Titan card at nearly double the x80 price.
Step 5. A few moths later, release the x80Ti for what appears a reasonable price when compared to the x80 launch price and Titan price and having very similar performance to the Titan card.
Step 6. Drop x80 price down to where it should be based on it's actual performance difference over the x70 card.
Result: Well, massive profits. People buying twice during the one product cycle. Now they have a situation where people are upgrading from x80Ti to X80 and then x80Ti again. I mean, come on, AMD have nothing like this going on and never had anything even close to this. You say AMD are just as good at this as Nvidia and have it down to a fine art as well. Show me please. I don't know of any AMD marketing scheme, plan, whatever that is anything remotely like this. They made an attempt with Polaris to change the way up the way they release products. But, jury is still out on whether it was a success or not.
But, as I said, I have no problem been wrong. I just think AMD can't touch Nvidia for marketing, they aren't even close.
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GTC or bust.
Oh I miss the days when I could actually afford PC parts
computer parts becoming more than just gaming parts has really resulted in a price explosion. Not sure what the solution is either. AMD's attempts with Vega to stop miners failed miserably. And because of miners, AIB's want to get in on the money and have raised the price of the Vega custom cards massively.(Source: Gibbo)
Nvidia seem to be going the same route with Volta, making a card more appealing to miners, by been more compute focused. Maybe Ampere might be the saving of the gaming GPU. We can only hope. Haven't heard any details of it though.
That is a good point, I guess the mining side of things has a huge effect on the prices of parts these days.
My 980ti had a mishap with my water cooling and now running a GTX 660 and its so bad I can't even put it into words as was the only spare card I had, and wanting to buy into a new flag ship model makes me eyes water these days.
My 980ti had a mishap with my water cooling and now running a GTX 660 and its so bad I can't even put it into words as was the only spare card I had, and wanting to buy into a new flag ship model makes me eyes water these days.
Volta design wise predates mining as a thing. Not sure we will ever see Volta used in a big way for mining unless down the line they release a more mid-range power efficient semi-professional product where clients are made for it that exploit some of its advanced features specifically.
I'm feeling thankful I put some money away during the whole stuck on 28nm, etc. thing - a few years worth saved away means I can afford current GPU prices :s (that said I can "afford" them anyhow justifying spending the money on what you get for it is another matter though - in a strange way I'd baulk at spending £800-1000 for say a 1080ti but happily put up £3K for the Titan V if it was like consistently 2x the performance of a 1080ti :s).
Ouch!! that hurts. And the 980Ti is a great card. The wait must be killing you. Maybe bite the bullet and get a 1060 just to tide you over until the next round of cards?
Well, Mining has been a thing since before the 780Ti launched.
Volta goes way back - its more than 5 years IIRC since the whole architecture switch around as well.
Yeah, I appreciate that but mining has been around a lot longer than that. It was huge around the time of 5870/6950 It dropped off a bit for a while around the 79xx cards, but came back with a vengeance when the 290 cards were released and has been a thing since then.
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This matters.
IMO its consumers, people like you and me set the tone, If people don't react well to AMD's junk 290X reference coolers AMD will stop putting coolers like that on their cards.
If people didn't react well to nVidia renaming their #80 series cards "Titan" and doubled the price nVidia wouldn't do it.
Its us who set the tone by how we react to what they do.
The wait is indeed killing me, it can only just run Destiny 2 on low, but I have to have resolution scaling set to 50% and it looks like playing at 800x600....
Other game I play Rocket League runs like a complete pig even on the ultra lowest settings god knows why.
I did think about what is the cheapest option be it 2nd hand I could get that would tie me over for abit, needs to be cheap but also at least allow me to play games at 1080 with 60 fps even if all settings are on low, guessing a 1060 fits that bill or?
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This is about PC gaming becoming sofa gaming rather than having it on your desk, I sit the equivalent to 2 desks away from my 34" ultrawide, for something that's 65" I'd need a bigger living room.
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This is about PC gaming becoming sofa gaming rather than having it on your desk, I sit the equivalent to 2 desks away from my 34" ultrawide, for something that's 65" I'd need a bigger living room.
Sofa gaming? Pffttt. Just buy a console and don’t insult the PC gaming race
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Sofa gaming? Pffttt. Just buy a console and don’t insult the PC gaming race
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Forget Nvidia's 'Titan' Gaming TVs, just give current large monitors a remote and we'll be set. Not like we'd ever have the GPU power to run such a 4k120Hz screen for a few years anyway...
I'm good with my 980ti for the foreseeable future. No amount of overpriced GPUs can tempt me away. And if the 980ti kicks the bucket, I've got a 970 that can come out of retirement. Not like I use the GPU much these days anyway. I've been playing a lot of PS4 recently and probably will continue that way for a good few months.
All that said... it would be nice if there was something released for GPUs this year. But given Vega's poor show and no reason for Nvidia to bother, don't get hopes up. Only thing I can think of is yet another Titan (yawn).
I'm good with my 980ti for the foreseeable future. No amount of overpriced GPUs can tempt me away. And if the 980ti kicks the bucket, I've got a 970 that can come out of retirement. Not like I use the GPU much these days anyway. I've been playing a lot of PS4 recently and probably will continue that way for a good few months.
All that said... it would be nice if there was something released for GPUs this year. But given Vega's poor show and no reason for Nvidia to bother, don't get hopes up. Only thing I can think of is yet another Titan (yawn).