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Nvidia disables PhysX when ATI card is present with an Nvidia card for windows 7.
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They never directly offered it to AMD, it was an open invitation to any competing GPU manufacturer (AMD?!) to use physx, so long as they supported CUDA.
But you can read so I gather you already knew this but just felt like wasting my time some more.
Yes I can see how introducing GPU physics acceleration to the masses would do that, maybe if AMD weren’t so stubborn and adopted CUDA we would already have an open standard for physics acceleration.
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Well it is a good job that an actual open standard is with us now. I wonder how long it will be until PhysX is ported to OpenCL? That's OpenCL as in a real open standard, supported and overseen by a number of interested parties. Not like CUDA, which given the subject matter of this very thread I would not trust Nvidia to have done something to harm any competing products in some form or another.
Open invitation does not count when its addressed to the public without it being sent specifically to possible interested parties, this is not a pubic event so it would not be taken seriously.
CUDA is not an open standard for it to be open it would have to have equal control by the involved parties or be controlled by an independent consortium.
For that reason alone ATI have right not to adopt any standard just because a competitor said so.
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And we all know nvidia would have just gone on a shaft-a-thon.
It would have been very naive & gullible of ATI.
So that was the big proof of nvidia offering it to ati jesus yeah i can see what you mean how stupid were ati to not leap on that 
. Also liked the way that article said physx was open yet by this action nvidia have shown it to be anything but so yeah really made me feel like i can trust them.
. Also liked the way that article said physx was open yet by this action nvidia have shown it to be anything but so yeah really made me feel like i can trust them.
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It's one of NV's last straws before it realises PhysX will probably die IMO. Proper Open standards all the way. In any other industry, this would be classed as anti-competitive.
In order to support Physx, Nvidia expect ATI to support CUDA. There is fat change of that as ATI want to use the opensource OPENCL with the likes of Havoc when DX11 hits.
Hopefully Havoc are ready with their solution for DX11 and this stinking festering pit of crap will get filled in.
If you say so..
Thats true enough, but so long as they used cuda they would have freedom to use it. However your right thats not the same as an open standard.
I look forward to an open standard for physics, that way we will finally see good use of gpu physics and not the gimmicky use we see in the few games that support it now..
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Sorry, but is that not basically the same thing? They are stating what you need to get PhysX running and what has been tested and passed through QA. Have you seen a statement from NV or got a link to any official letter from NV saying that PhysX will run alongside ATI hardware? I've not seen anything.
And by stating they don't support it and removing the ability to enable it in the situation they are protecting themselves from backlash if something goes wrong. There would need to be clear and concise info on all their products that if run alongside ATI hardware no support is provided. Would you go and spend £70 on say a 9600 for Physx that had a big sticker on it saying "Support for running alongside ATI hardware not available"? I know i sure wouldn't.
It's all business in the end and NV aren't there primarily for the good of the comsumers, as much as we'd like it that way, they're there to make $$$. they certainly make some questionable decisions though!
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No business though will thrive if it forgets it's customers because no business can exist without customer's or their goodwill and that is somethig nvidia seem to be forgetting. I don't see a problem with them stating that if you choose to run an ati card next to an nvidia one that you will restrict your support and if nothing else it's honest and will go down far better with customer's then this approach.
Time for this approach would have been right at the start what were nvidia doing didn't they realise people could do this and if they could some would and that finding that out early and stopping it then was the right time. Once people realised they could do this nvidia should have just acceptted it and made it very clear if you do it you will have reduced support because your doing something it doesn't recommend.
Time for this approach would have been right at the start what were nvidia doing didn't they realise people could do this and if they could some would and that finding that out early and stopping it then was the right time. Once people realised they could do this nvidia should have just acceptted it and made it very clear if you do it you will have reduced support because your doing something it doesn't recommend.
Sorry, but is that not basically the same thing? They are stating what you need to get PhysX running and what has been tested and passed through QA. Have you seen a statement from NV or got a link to any official letter from NV saying that PhysX will run alongside ATI hardware? I've not seen anything.
And by stating they don't support it and removing the ability to enable it in the situation they are protecting themselves from backlash if something goes wrong. There would need to be clear and concise info on all their products that if run alongside ATI hardware no support is provided. Would you go and spend £70 on say a 9600 for Physx that had a big sticker on it saying "Support for running alongside ATI hardware not available"? I know i sure wouldn't.
It's all business in the end and NV aren't there primarily for the good of the comsumers, as much as we'd like it that way, they're there to make $$$. they certainly make some questionable decisions though!
Unless it is stated on the box that there is an issue or possible issues when installed in the same PC as an ATI card then they have no claim.
When buying from an Etailer it also must be stated in the product description.
Standard disclamer
Means there is no guarantee of 1066 on 4 slots but they do not disable the 1066 option when 4 slots are in use.
The very nature of the PC & the available amount different hardware & software means that there is never 100% assurance of everything working with everything & any company who are to scared of that fact & starts disabling features when other hardware & software is on the same PC should not be in the PC business. Other software & hardware vendors get blamed day in & day out for things that are not there fault. that's just the way the PC is & always will be as it offers so much freedom of choice.
If everyone did what NV is doing because it cant give 100% assurance then the PC would be a closed platform.
NV should just make gfx cards for a closed system like Apple where its nice & cosy.
The clichés of NV is there to make money should not even be mentioned as 99% of businesses are.
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Sorry, but is that not basically the same thing? They are stating what you need to get PhysX running and what has been tested and passed through QA. Have you seen a statement from NV or got a link to any official letter from NV saying that PhysX will run alongside ATI hardware? I've not seen anything.
And by stating they don't support it and removing the ability to enable it in the situation they are protecting themselves from backlash if something goes wrong. There would need to be clear and concise info on all their products that if run alongside ATI hardware no support is provided. Would you go and spend £70 on say a 9600 for Physx that had a big sticker on it saying "Support for running alongside ATI hardware not available"? I know i sure wouldn't.
It's all business in the end and NV aren't there primarily for the good of the comsumers, as much as we'd like it that way, they're there to make $$$. they certainly make some questionable decisions though!
This ladies and gents is marketing bull**** working at its very finest. You have fallen for it hook, line and sinker my son.
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Didn't older AMD boards downclock DDR400 ram when 4 slots were filled with the old Athlons? I seem to remember something like this happening, could be wrong though.
That it may be, doesn't make it any less true though.
Oh how wrong you are. I'm simply providing another view point to the NV bashing that regularly goes on on this forum these days. I'm not some mindless pleb that believes every shiny advert and piece of marketing blurb they read.
It's true, i think NV have been blinded by the $ signs these days and are making some questionable decisions, but it don't see it as as big a problem as some seem to. If they completely disabled the card then yes it would be a big issue but all they've done is disabled a secondary feature in drivers for an OS thats not even on official public release yet.
It's blatantly a business decision, made by the guys with small round glasses that sit in darkened offices and try to squeeze every last bit of profit they can out of the company. It's not some giant conspiracy to screw over consumers as everyone seems to think. I deal with these sorts of people each day and they can't see past their own wallets! Some analyst has probably crunched some numbers and said they'll make more money if they did this than if they left it as is.
Soldato
Not really, some people may boycott Nvidia for that
taken support away than yeah fine. i can live with that, fact is some people have brought cards for this purpose that are now useless.
A bit of personal option is in need here imo I know someone that loves Nvidia (fanboi) but hates them for this
oh and it also works on XP
taken support away than yeah fine. i can live with that, fact is some people have brought cards for this purpose that are now useless.
A bit of personal option is in need here imo I know someone that loves Nvidia (fanboi) but hates them for this
oh and it also works on XP
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I agree, it is a stupid decision, but thats business. I can see why they've done it (keeping "unique selling points") but it is pretty short sighted. I don't hate NV for this, i'm just disappointed (said in the tone of a parent! lol!)
Still, it'll only be their loss!
Still, it'll only be their loss!
Soldato
They already did, people have brought Radeons for a reason, becasue they perform just as well, and are cheaper.
than people found out that with XP/win 7 they can run two different brands at the same time, so they went out a brought Nvida mainstream card knowing that it can be used as physics and now that is just not so. Thanks to Nvidas greed
If Nvida left it alone, I would be on of these people that would have done that i was really considering it so Nvida lost another wanna be customer, untill it comes back or they inpresse me with their cards
than people found out that with XP/win 7 they can run two different brands at the same time, so they went out a brought Nvida mainstream card knowing that it can be used as physics and now that is just not so. Thanks to Nvidas greed
If Nvida left it alone, I would be on of these people that would have done that i was really considering it so Nvida lost another wanna be customer, untill it comes back or they inpresse me with their cards
