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Nvidia disables PhysX when ATI card is present with an Nvidia card for windows 7.

AMG said:
its just another way Nvida annoyes me

so much for "the way its meant to be played"

they can't force people to buy thier hardware and use some fake thing to sell things, people find out they have been well (fill in word i can find the spelling so i won;t bother)
than they go with AMD/ATI anyway oh dear Nvida

I m not a fanboi of ethoir, i think Nvida cards are great (but some of them are a bit over priced for what they are) too bad the same can't be said for the LGA775 sLI chipset >.<
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The way its meant to be played is a clever marketing ploy that is cheaper than actually developing chips that meet the latest standards. Nvidia obviously figured out a while ago its cheaper to pay devs not to use DX10.1 and its free performance benefits, lie to everybody by saying we don't need the free speed boost and dick about with dead standards like physx.

Seriously some of the previous Nvidia cards I've owned make me misty when I think about them since they were that good, (TI4600, 6800GT.) but this stinks and I'll think long and hard before I buy one again.
 
kitch9 said:
The way its meant to be played is a clever marketing ploy that is cheaper than actually developing chips that meet the latest standards. Nvidia obviously figured out a while ago its cheaper to pay devs not to use DX10.1 and its free performance benefits, lie to everybody by saying we don't need the free speed boost and dick about with dead standards like physx.

Seriously some of the previous Nvidia cards I've owned make me misty when I think about them since they were that good, (TI4600, 6800GT.) but this stinks and I'll think long and hard before I buy one again.
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Hilarious, you guys do make me laugh. :D
 
I'm gonna stick my neck out to get bitten off here and say i agree with ebilcake - it's Nvidia's intellectual property (even though they paid $$$ for it) and they can do what they like with it. I can't see how disabling a feature in the drivers for a pre-release OS which probably wasn't even meant to work the way it was is such a problem.

And wasn't it only a few months ago that a lot of people on here were declaring that PhysX was a waste of time gimmicky product that was going nowhere and would die a slow death? Seems a lot of fuss over a something that not many people were bothered about!

Now, i'm not saying i agree with what NV have done but it's not gonna sway me from buying another NV card if the card is good. I agree they could have left it in and stated it was fully unsupported to ATI card users but i would hardly call it despicable.
 
Lets say I have an Nvidia card. I bought this card, and up until this point it functioned perfectly when running PhysX code. Nvidia have advertised their cards as supporting PhysX, and at no point did they mention that it would only function when also working with a Nvidia GPU to process the visuals. Now suddenly they are taking that functionality away because they detect the presence of a competing product.

Do you still consider that fair? Or fine as it is Nvidia's IP to do with as they please? If Microsoft suddenly turned around and started to disable software which competed with their own, would you also consider that to be perfectly fair?

Nvidia may well get away with this, although lets see how the Internet backlash works for them if they do indeed pull the switch.
 
KWJay said:
I'm gonna stick my neck out to get bitten off here and say i agree with ebilcake - it's Nvidia's intellectual property (even though they paid $$$ for it) and they can do what they like with it. I can't see how disabling a feature in the drivers for a pre-release OS which probably wasn't even meant to work the way it was is such a problem.

And wasn't it only a few months ago that a lot of people on here were declaring that PhysX was a waste of time gimmicky product that was going nowhere and would die a slow death? Seems a lot of fuss over a something that not many people were bothered about!

Now, i'm not saying i agree with what NV have done but it's not gonna sway me from buying another NV card if the card is good. I agree they could have left it in and stated it was fully unsupported to ATI card users but i would hardly call it despicable.
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Its not really about PhysX its about the behaviour of NV as if you tolerate this then they may do something next that really matters.
You don't wait for the cancer to spread to vital organs before treating.

As far as i know no other manufacture disables features just at the detection of a competing product & they could all jump on the same band wagon then the PC would barely function with all the competing hardware & software.
Its bad enough even when they are trying to work with each other.
 
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layte said:
at no point did they mention that it would only function when also working with a Nvidia GPU to process the visuals.
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So you just assume it works with products other then nvidias., It's never a good idea to assume anything.

Do you still consider that fair? Or fine as it is Nvidia's IP to do with as they please? If Microsoft suddenly turned around and started to disable software which competed with their own, would you also consider that to be perfectly fair?
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No, that would depend on the software.

Nvidia may well get away with this, although lets see how the Internet backlash works for them if they do indeed pull the switch.
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nvidia are already public enemy #1 on most forums I visit so I doubt it will make any difference.
 
Here is my point of view here.. are you saying if microsoft doesn't allow you to dual-boot with Ubuntu.. no one would give a ****?
and besides.. they can't just disable something like that after so many people buying an Nvidia graphics card for PhysX.. theres just no way a customer would be happy about it (are they even thinking about their customers?) and I'm pretty sure they knew that already before they did it. They're digging their own grave.
 
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If you was in charge of ATI would you let your main revel your enemy to have your current cards to "reseach on" ? the whole lot of them not just one of them all of the range?

I wouldn't
they are up to something

I wouldn't my point here is that Nvida can take that technology and put it on their next cards

yeah i agree Nvdia can do what they like with their tech, but crippling their products just because of a AMD card being present in my eyes is forcing the user to only use Nvida and that is out of order, consdering the user has brought that card for that purpose (ethoir from years ago) or for that purpose, and no it is usless, all well and good saying get Nvida, but some people here already have brought a mainstream Nvida to work as physics or have a old 8800 that don't cut it anymore, now are all useless. Till you take the Radeon away, and why should we do that?

no support, use at own risk fine meh I don't care about, like anyone else.

for those users (myself include I was going to buy a foxconn mobo that has 3 PCIe to do it as well thank god I didn't) it will cost use less just to get that mainstream and use it along side our cards that we have chosen (if the mobo can take it)
 
Like most of what nvidia sells, physics was, and would have been for a long time, a load of crud. This is not really about physics though, it about how toxic nvidia have become.

Intellectual property, what is that ? If someone advertises, markets and sell me some, then is it not mine ?

If nvidia are happy to pull support this time what make you think they wont do it again to a competitor ? Intel will in all probability take nvidia to the cleaners, what's to say as soon as Intel are considered competition they wont pull the same stunt for intel chipsets ? How about if they disable rendering full stop.
 
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So you just assume it works with products other then nvidias., It's never a good idea to assume anything.
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I assumed Nvidia would not take away advertised functionality because they do not like what other hardware I care to purchase. I find it hard to believe anyone else would argue against that.

I look forward to your defence of Intel, should they decide to disable any Nvidia hardware plugged into a system using one of their CPU/Chipsets.
 
Because intel knows better not too, intel make crossfire capable chipsets for a reason you know, its only Nvida they had to around, for them to give them permission to use it thank god Nvida let them.

AMD could do it as well, and why would it be intel taking Nvida to the cleaners for? if any one it will be AMD

8edit* intel would never do that, A. they had to pay to be allowed to use SLI on the X58 and P55 boards you know
B. intel do think about the customers abit more than Nvida, like AMD does
 
Final8y said:
Its not really about PhysX its about the behaviour of NV as if you tolerate this then they may do something next that really matters.
You don't wait for the cancer to spread to vital organs before treating.

As far as i know no other manufacture disables features just at the detection of a competing product & they could all jump on the same band wagon then the PC would barely function with all the competing hardware & software.
Its bad enough even when they are trying to work with each other.
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The thing is though you won't get a simlar situation. We're talking about 2 items of the same computing hardware which offer individual features and abilities to the user to tempt you to one side or the other. The GPU situation is unique in that there aren't any other components that compete as directly head to head or have the scope to be more than they are.

I know many people have things like hard drives from different manufacturers in their comps but these sort of components perform a single function such as data storage or writing dvd's. GPU's offer far more and so the companies have to be more ruthless. You can still use CUDA, you just can't use one of the "gaming features". People are talking about competition - surely this would only apply if ATI also had the ability to run physics on their hardware and made it available to work alongside NV hardware. That's where you can start talking anti-competetive situations. As i see it PhysX is an NV "seling point".

Also NV have bought this IP and applied it to their own solution. Now correct me if i'm wrong, but it didn't work with an ATI card in XP, didn't work with an ATI card in Vista but did work in a pre-release new OS. Why isn't everyone complaining that it's not working in the previous 2 OS's? Because it's never worked. Now, if they'd removed the functionality from the release OS i would agree. I don't think NV ever intended for PhysX to work with ATI hardware since ATI didn't take up the offer that NV gave them.
 
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KWJay said:
The thing is though you won't get a simlar situation. We're talking about 2 items of the same computing hardware which offer individual features and abilities to the user to tempt you to one side or the other. The GPU situation is unique in that there aren't any other components that compete as directly head to head or have the scope to be more than they are.

I know many people have things like hard drives from different manufacturers in their comps but these sort of components perform a single function such as data storage or writing dvd's. GPU's offer far more and so the companies have to be more ruthless. You can still use CUDA, you just can't use one of the "gaming features". People are talking about competition - surely this would only apply if ATI also had the ability to run physics on their hardware and made it available to work alongside NV hardware. That's where you can start talking anti-competetive situations. As i see it PhysX is an NV "seling point".

Also NV have bought this IP and applied it to their own solution. It didn't work with an ATI card in XP, didn't work with an ATI card in Vista but did work in a pre-release new OS. Why isn't everyone complaining that it's not working in the previous 2 OS's? Because it's never worked. Now, if they'd removed the functionality from the release OS i would agree. I don't think NV ever intended for PhysX to work with ATI hardware since ATI didn't take up the offer that NV gave them.
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You have a link to the officially written to ATI offer from NV.
Because i never seen anything of the sort.

Its did work in XP by the way it didn't in Vista because of the OS.

The fact is People who own an ATI product are not ATI nether are they a representative of ATI for purchasing an ATI product.

The bit that is not sinking in with some people is that its ok for them stop the PhysX working when another card is running the game, which i have no problem with. but its not ok to tell me that i must have only NV cards in my PC to use it. The customer is not a competitor.
That's exactly what Intel was doing to the wholesalers & OEM`s years ago & got fined & even then Intel was not silly enough to say you must not stock AMD at all but just a specific percentage & no more or else the deals are off.
Microsoft got slapped for telling wholesalers & OEM`s not to sell Linux based PC or else.
Now NV is doing it to the customers.
 
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Didn't amd already state there was never anything to this rumour they refused nvidias offer and that it was all made up. I am going to stop arguing in this thread because certain people simply are not getting the point or are that nvidia biased they don't want too. As someone else said lets hope next time they pull a stunt like this it doesn't affect something more people use because they seem to be going down this road with a lot of enthusiasm.
 
Final8y said:
You have a link to the officially written to ATI offer from NV.
Because i never seen anything of the sort.

Its did work in XP by the way it didn't in Vista because of the OS.

The fact is People who own an ATI product are not ATI nether are they a representative of ATI for purchasing an ATI product.

The bit that is not sinking in with some people is that its ok for them stop the PhysX working when another card is running the game, which i have no problem with. but its not ok to tell me that i must have only NV cards in my PC to use it. The customer is not a competitor.
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What rock you been under for the last year? :)

http://www.custompc.co.uk/news/602205/nvidia-offers-physx-support-to-amd--ati.html
 
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Couldn't get through my re-enforced steel door on the top floor

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WTF, I know its a police car but still O_O

interesting...


so lets just summarise before this thread goes out of control
Nvida is targeting the consumer, thats basic it.
 
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