Not to mention every single Hardware Cannucks video on youtube starts with "brought to you with our partners Nvidia".
LOL!
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Nvidia gameworks - Game over for you
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Not to mention every single Hardware Cannucks video on youtube starts with "brought to you with our partners Nvidia".
LOL!
The guy in the video is a complete tinfoil hat wearing idiot.
There are numerous people all over the web that have tested multiple drivers on older cards and not found any significant change in performance that wouldn't be expected through variance.
Newer games make more use of newer technologies that the newer architectures are better at handling. It is not surprising in the least.
And every comparison against an AMD card is absolutely flawed form the beginning. Nvidia has no control over what AMD does to their drivers. the only comparison you can make are against the same hardware.
So are you saying AMD managed to improve their drivers so much that they are getting around 40-50% more performance than they started with and thus beating their Nvidia equivalents ? Interesting...
Soldato
Ha, you wish. Nothing like seeing something that confirms your biases eh?
HardwareCanucks was sponsored by Nvidia for the CES coverage, sorry if they don't seem like the most professional unbiased source. Also its nearly 6 months old now as well.
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Soldato
So are you saying AMD managed to improve their drivers so much that they are getting around 40-50% more performance than they started with and thus beating their Nvidia equivalents ? Interesting...
RTG already producing results even before they were formed!!
Just for you, Diamond city first entrance as that is the most demanding area.
Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg
4188, 74735, 50, 61, 56.038
settings used were Ultra everything, full sliders and godrays medium. Vsync is on as that is how i play.
This was about 1 minute of looking around.
I then did 4 minutes of gameplay shooting 7 raiders in a base with a lot going on then i fired a nuke at the end which to be fair did slow me down to 44fps.
Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg
12694, 224500, 44, 61, 56.543
No where near the fps figures quoted on that site, So unless something is going on i do not know about they are full of BS and i am still happy with my 780.
Edited as i used HBAO+ (ultra) not SSAO as they sad they used.
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Soldato
Diamond City is not the worst part by far. The Corvega Plant is one of the worst and it was one of the major areas first targeted for performance patches on both PC and console by Bethesda.
So much so,they actually reduced the amount of shadows in later patches.
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sadly I have to say this; pics or video or it didn't happen.
Second are your settings matching what they were running? Pretty sure they were full ultra with SSAO+ you've said you were ultra but god rays were med and something else.
as I said; anyone can claim they've gotten this; but need video or pictures to actually prove it.....
Fair enough.
Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg
5654, 120641, 33, 61, 46.866
Full ultra everything trying to duplicate their video.
Not playable tbh with godrays on ultra, but godrays are not the talking point here are they.
this was still at 1920x1200 but at least i know whats what.
Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg
5654, 120641, 33, 61, 46.866
Full ultra everything trying to duplicate their video.
Not playable tbh with godrays on ultra, but godrays are not the talking point here are they.
this was still at 1920x1200 but at least i know whats what.
I find it interesting that a Nano is matching or beating a 980Ti in FO4, and an FX smashes everything, even at 1080p. Clearly a game and engine optimised heavily for GCN (consoles) .... I wonder what it'd look like without the GameCancer(Works). Probably even less pretty for NVIDIA.
The figures for pre-Maxwell cards are absolutely pathetic. This should be a clear signal to anyone that if you want to keep your card a while or buy late in a product's life cycle then NVIDIA should be avoided like the plague. The driver or middleware gimping that they're getting away with is unreal.
The figures for pre-Maxwell cards are absolutely pathetic. This should be a clear signal to anyone that if you want to keep your card a while or buy late in a product's life cycle then NVIDIA should be avoided like the plague. The driver or middleware gimping that they're getting away with is unreal.
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So are you saying AMD managed to improve their drivers so much that they are getting around 40-50% more performance than they started with and thus beating their Nvidia equivalents ? Interesting...
Where has AMD gained 40-50% driver improvements. not that i don't believe you but its quite possible. AMD drivers are notoriously bad on release so will always show bugger gains.
But as i said, what AMD does has no bearing on Nvidia drivers. The only fair comparison is to take a Nvidia card like the 780Ti and compare it through a set of games across all driver versions.
You also have to be very careful of versions of the game engine and patches. For example the Developer might make some optimizations for AMD after release but don't do the same for Nvidia because the game was developed on Nvidia cards. Or the developer harmlessly changes some of the code for a shder etc., but Nvidia drivers had an optimization that replaced the expected shader with something faster for the Kepler architecture. With the changes to the game code the Nvidia optimization may no longer work but that has nothing to do with Nvidia, that is just the nature of DX an, driver and game development.
Comparing Nvidia to AMD cards to try to prove Nvidia are purposely sabotaging performance of older cards just makes no sense in the slightest. Its like saying house prices aren't getting any more expensive because car prices are going up at the same rate.
I just want to add that with the latest NVIDIA drivers (361.75), the GTX 780Ti is matching and beating the FuryX in Rise of the TombRaider at 1080p and 1440p, and just a smidge behind at 4K.
That Kepler driver performance is great, especially given that the game is maxed with AMD Pure Hair tech enabled.
Orange is 1080p, Yellow 1440p, and Teal 4K with blue below each bar being the minimum FPS.
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Rise-...451/Specials/Grafikkarten-Benchmarks-1184288/
Soldato
I just want to add that with the latest NVIDIA drivers (361.75), the GTX 780Ti is matching and beating the FuryX in Rise of the TombRaider at 1080p and 1440p, and just a smidge behind at 4K.
That Kepler driver performance is great, especially given that the game is maxed with AMD Pure Hair tech enabled.
Orange is 1080p, Yellow 1440p, and Teal 4K with blue below each bar being the minimum FPS.
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Rise-...451/Specials/Grafikkarten-Benchmarks-1184288/
Amd drivers not yet been released for this game so it's only fair to judge once they are.
Soldato
Nvidia drivers just dropped for this.
True as that is, the GTX 780Ti is also beating the GTX 970; this is why I don't understand where this whole "NVIDIA is purposely sabotaging Kepler performance" is coming from.
I only really remember Kepler doing badly around end of May - July 2015 when the drivers were terrible and when the Witcher 3 came out.
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This thread is brought to you by the word "Variance", a word that is used by Nvidia users when any AMD card beats an Nvidia card by 2-5fps in an apples to apples comparison.
However, the word "Variance" magically changes and morphs into the word "Smashed" when used where an Nvidia card beats an AMD card by the previously mentioned 2-5fps. Odd that!!
Also the amount of times I see the sentence "All we want is a level playing field" - which has never been said by any Nvidia user that I can remember.
Caporegime
I assume you are talking about Crysis 2 here? If so, why is that Nvidia's GameWorks fault? Did Nvidia make Crysis 2? Don't answer as it is rhetorical but I will assume you have not been apart of these conversations before, as recently you asked how to remove drivers for a new card so benefit of the doubt there.
PhysX was offered to AMD but AMD didn't want to take it up. Nvidia "made " the libraries for GameWorks and these are customisable and editable but you just can't see the source code. They also come at considerable cost to Nvidia users but they were designed to save developers time and give some great effects. None of them are crippling to AMD, as they are all turn off and onable. Imagine getting BF4 in its vanilla form and you have the base game and then add some GameWorks effects and you have an enhanced game. The guy in the video comes across as nothing more than an AMD fanboy without a clue of what he is talking about but hey ho, whatever gets him his paypal donations
Going back to Tessellation, AMD were the first to come up with it and pushed it but no take up, Nvidia decided it was a good thing and made sure theie cards could handle it but AMD didn't and stagnated at the GPU level as far as tessellation goes, whose fault is that?
Stupid video and stupid fanboy thread.
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This could be the real test.....If a driver turns up by the weekend then the gloves are definately off.
Lets hope so
This could be the real test.....If a driver turns up by the weekend then the gloves are definately off.
Lets hope so
It certainly is for me! I'm very eager to upgrade to two top end AMD Polaris cards, but they need to sort their driver releases out.
There are just so many potential issues with FO4 though - the engine is a mess dating back atleast 16 years of stuff cobbled over the top of cobbled together stuff - sure its not exactly the same engine as morrowind but still a lot of inherited issues to the point that just changing 1 line of code can in some cases result in a huge shift in how different cards perform with it - ENB for Skyrim for instance has different code path hacks that when enabled or disabled will change how AMD and nVidia cards stack up without any change in actual features/image quality.
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