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*** NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 3080 SERIES STOCK SITUATION - NO COMPETITOR DISCUSSION ***

Tutan said:
all the info so far indicates that 3070 will at least match 2080ti..
As for the big navi,I’m not a fan of AMD gpus due to driver issues myself but again all leaks say it’s somewhere between 2080ti and 3080,closer to 3080.
and If that’s true and priced £500-£550 then no one can call it crap.
we’ll find out very soon.
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Radeon VII V2
 
Teal said:
I'm not sure why there is still any confusion, Gibbo was very clear, search this thread for his comments yesterday.

The totals for 3080 across the whole shipment are as follows:

X2 20
X3 50
X4 15

The X2's are expected first, with the X3 & 4 hopefully following a week or two behind.

So you will not be getting your card from this shipment.
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Okay now I understand.

So it took over a month to receive a shipment of 20pcs, does this mean I have to wait yet again over a month to get another 20pcs? Or the next shipment after this is expected to be quicker? What’s the deal?

If I don’t get my card by EARLY November I am going to simply refund because this is ridicolous and quite scummy from overclockers part
 
reddotsight said:
I'm angry but I don't know who to be angry at anymore.
OcUK for taking our money, getting stuck in this nightmare and then struggling to work out how to manage it (hint, should probably stop taking pre-orders).
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Overclockers are still taking preorders because the more pre-paid preorders they get, the more negotiating power they have with manufacturers in order to actually secure stock vs everyone else (whichever retailer shouts the loudest will get the largest shipments)
 
ShakeNBake said:
Overclockers are still taking preorders because the more pre-paid preorders they get, the more negotiating power they have with manufacturers in order to actually secure stock vs everyone else (whichever retailer shouts the loudest will get the largest shipments)
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LOL biggest bull crap I have heard
If that was the case then overclockers would be getting shipments above 50 every single time not 5-15 every month.

whichever retailer shouts the loudest my ass
 
ShakeNBake said:
Overclockers are still taking preorders because the more pre-paid preorders they get, the more negotiating power they have with manufacturers in order to actually secure stock vs everyone else (whichever retailer shouts the loudest will get the largest shipments)
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You really need to stop talking, all I can smell is a$$. Utter rubbish!!
 
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I wouldn't be so much disappointed. The more cards they will offer for sale, the less chance we will get to get our cards. More profitable cards will go for sale at first place. See what is happening with tuf OC and tuf non-OC.
 
scaramonga said:
And so the disaster continues.....
https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-allegedly-cancels-geforce-rtx-3080-20gb-and-rtx-3070-16gb

Makes you wonder what is really up with this series, rushed maybe? I'd be cancelling any pre-orders and waiting on the outcome of this. Maybe delays are due to not making any cards as they are gonna revise them soon? ;) The CTD Edition failed.
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Most likely it's just them wanting to catch up with global demand of 3080,3090 and soon 3070. 3080 20gb or Ti might still release maybe summer 2021.
 
Slixy said:
I think you will all have a shock at how good the new AMD cards will be, if you check the supposed leaks about VRAM and clock speeds.

Soon cometh the massive wave of 3080 cancelations...
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Well the vRAM is going to be useless outside of prosumer usage. And my main concern with them right now is memory bandwidth. They seem to have opted not only for slower memory but also a smaller memory bus width resulting is substantially less memory bandwidth (this is the 2 previous values multiplied). This could lead to it being memory starved, something that Infinity cache is supposed to solve but I'm skeptical about that. We'll have to wait and see. What worries me is that might be something that really requires game specific optimizations since it's important what values you put into the infinity cache, if they're not re-used repeatedly then it doesn't save much on memory bandwidth usage. And width AMD not having the best reputation for drivers that could be a problem. I keep an open mind about that, I hope big Navi is at least as fast as the 3080 if not faster because that's good for us all, but looking at the memory bandwidth, I kinda wince a bit.
 
PrincessFrosty said:
Well the vRAM is going to be useless outside of prosumer usage. And my main concern with them right now is memory bandwidth. They seem to have opted not only for slower memory but also a smaller memory bus width resulting is substantially less memory bandwidth (this is the 2 previous values multiplied). This could lead to it being memory starved, something that Infinity cache is supposed to solve but I'm skeptical about that. We'll have to wait and see. What worries me is that might be something that really requires game specific optimizations since it's important what values you put into the infinity cache, if they're not re-used repeatedly then it doesn't save much on memory bandwidth usage. And width AMD not having the best reputation for drivers that could be a problem. I keep an open mind about that, I hope big Navi is at least as fast as the 3080 if not faster because that's good for us all, but looking at the memory bandwidth, I kinda wince a bit.
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My main concern as always with AMD GPUS is thermals and drivers

and if history is anything to go by their brag is usually not followed up with performance
But hey maybe this time they’ll get it.
 
@PrincessFrosty People were saying same when Nvidia shrunken bus in Pascal, then Turing and now in Ampere (has a bandwith (approx 800Gbps) almost like HBM 1st gen with bus of 1024). Nvidia improved their compression algorithm and if you look at the whitepaper for Pascal, Turing and Ampere you will see that cache has been doubled for Ampere, especially L2.

AMD is using the same tactics and looking at performance of Xbox Series X which has 10GB of 500Gbps+ and 6GB 320Gbps+ memory I'm not really worried about bandwidth at all.

3090 has 24GB with 384-bit and I don't see any clogs or performance issues.

IMO 14+ is absolute overkill for games. Maybe with extra textures for PC releases (Gears 5 and 4K pack can fill up to 11GB on Turing, but m not sure if that's used or allocated memory) other than that I don't see use of it.
Maybe extra RT information would be memory hungry (Minecraft Beta is, but that's beta it could be memory leak or lack of optimization)
 
whippyice said:
My main concern as always with AMD GPUS is thermals and drivers

and if history is anything to go by their brag is usually not followed up with performance
But hey maybe this time they’ll get it.
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Well it was looking promising with the leaks saying 255W, but then I saw today a follow up to this to say that this is GPU+vRAM only and not total board power, that total board power is essentially on par with the 3080 at about 320W. That means more thermals and all the rest that implies. The rumours also of 2.4Ghz boost clock seem to have backtracked slightly, that could be just OC'd AIB boards and my guess is that'd be subject to binning and therefore higher prices. Complete guess at this stage.

Deniryer said:
@PrincessFrosty People were saying same when Nvidia shrunken bus in Pascal, then Turing and now in Ampere (has a bandwith (approx 800Gbps) almost like HBM 1st gen with bus of 1024). Nvidia improved their compression algorithm and if you look at the whitepaper for Pascal, Turing and Ampere you will see that cache has been doubled for Ampere, especially L2.

AMD is using the same tactics and looking at performance of Xbox Series X which has 10GB of 500Gbps+ and 6GB 320Gbps+ memory I'm not really worried about bandwidth at all.

3090 has 24GB with 384-bit and I don't see any clogs or performance issues.

IMO 14+ is absolute overkill for games. Maybe with extra textures for PC releases (Gears 5 and 4K pack can fill up to 11GB on Turing, but m not sure if that's used or allocated memory) other than that I don't see use of it.
Maybe extra RT information would be memory hungry (Minecraft Beta is, but that's beta it could be memory leak or lack of optimization)
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Hmm well, a couple of things. Bus width is only half the story, you can reduce bus width and as long as you're increasing memory speeds to compensate the overall memory bandwidth doesn't necessarily have to suffer. AMD are looking at a double whammy of slower memory and smaller bus width so rumours put it at about 512GB/sec memory bandwidth vs the 3080's 760GB/sec, that's a substantial difference.

The Xbox series X actual GPU is not going to be anywhere near the raw speed of something like a a 3080, I think it's FP32 compute is like 12 TFLOPS peak, vs 30 TFLOPS of a 3080. These GPUs while a very nice upgrade for the consoles are typically about mid range for the PC, as is normal for a console launch. So they just wont require the same memory bandwidth, you only really need enough memory bandwidth to make sure memory isn't a bottleneck for the GPU. I think the increased cache on big Navi is branded infinity cache so maybe that's a real game changer but it's something I'm skeptical of right now.

As for Gears 5 unless that was tested under very specific circumstances with recent tools it'll be a measure of vRAM allocation and not usage. I've done a lot of looking into vRAM usage over the last few weeks and real usage is way below allocated for almost everything. There's no way gears is making use of 11Gb even with a 4k texture pack, almost all games even at 4k ultra aren't breaking 8Gb of real usage much less 10Gb and they're already running into GPU bottlenecks. The main thing AMD have going for them with GDDR6 over GDDR6x is price though, so it's less of a price impact to the consumer if they over-do the vRAM unnecessarily. It's much more expensive for Nvidia to do that, a large part of the cost of the 3090 no doubt.
 
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