*** NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 3090 SERIES STOCK SITUATION - NO COMPETITOR DISCUSSION ***

[lordhawkwind]

Not having a go at anyone, I'm just curious as to why there is such brand loyalty to an AIB? I bought a 3090 yesterday for 10% over MSRP and a few brands were freely available without all the hassle of trying to beat the bots. No one seems to be selling Asus cards so there's obviously an issue with Asus 3090/3080's too. Personally I'm brand agnostic and maybe I've been lucky with the cards I've owned I've never had any problems. A 3090 is a 3090 no? Buy one now or wait until February well that's up to the individual I guess.

 

[Celugia]

Not having a go at anyone, I'm just curious as to why there is such brand loyalty to an AIB? I bought a 3090 yesterday for 10% over MSRP and a few brands were freely available without all the hassle of trying to beat the bots. No one seems to be selling Asus cards so there's obviously an issue with Asus 3090/3080's too. Personally I'm brand agnostic and maybe I've been lucky with the cards I've owned I've never had any problems. A 3090 is a 3090 no? Buy one now or wait until February well that's up to the individual I guess.

I find that youtube reviewers, based on cooling, power limit, ability to overclock and FPS (even if its like 2 extra FPS) play a factor (I am new to PC building so might not know... but thats why I would buy ASUS or MSI over Plait etc)

 

[Syphon Filter]

Hi,

Long time member / lurker, very infrequent poster here. Just wanted to join in to say I've been buying from OCUK for ages but this time I had to look elsewhere. I missed the launch window for getting in on a purchase and the queues are insane so had to go another way.

From what I've seen, it does look like stock levels are improving (specifically 3090s, not seen any 3080s in time to get one).

I've been checking a few sites religiously and have seen cards popping up all over the place, from all brands (e.g. Asus, Gigabyte, EVGA, MSI etc) over the past week or so. Unfortunately, I missed (hesitated) to get 3090FE from Nvidia / their UK partner the other day (maybe a week or two ago) when they had stock (and it lasted for a good while too).

But, just today, I managed to snag myself a 3090 Aorus Master from Bradford. I think it was about £50 over msrp of that card, which is way more than the FE but still £100 cheaper than OCUK are offering pre-orders for of the same card. At this point quite happy to have something.

Also saw EVGA FTW3 Ultras going for £1730 and they were available for a good while in Bolton.

However, you need to be diligent checking for stock and quick on the trigger. I missed out a few times earlier in the week.

Anyway, I hope you guys all receive your cards soon / find stock somewhere.

 

[lordhawkwind]

TBH I'm looking forward to undervolting my 3090 to keep the noise/heat down and eradicate the power spikes without any measurable loss of performance. Did it with my reference Vega 64. Reading reviews none of the RTX30 cards O/C well. I think the days of good AIB's over clocking cards are behind us.

 

[S7ree7figh7er]

There’s saying - all good things comes to those who wait. For me Strix 3090 ticks all boxes that I want from GPU no other card could match it. If I’m not after those boxes I would just get FE over any other AIB for price it’s asking. Shame about 12 pins being short tho, it can be sorted later point.
It’s just lack of output from ASUS making people being annoyed especially with their twitters statement.
I’ve manage so far and hoping won’t need to much longer, let’s see.

 

[Deleted member 651465]

I'd buy an FE if there was stock available and the 12 pin connector wasn't in the middle of the card

Having a vertical GPU, I really don't like the idea of having PCIE cable coming up from the middle of the card toward when my CPU block is... I prefer a clean look.

 

[craarc]

Anyone managed to get a 3090 tuf non oc seems they never get a mention.

 

[S7ree7figh7er]

I'd buy an FE if there was stock available and the 12 pin connector wasn't in the middle of the card

Having a vertical GPU, I really don't like the idea of having PCIE cable coming up from the middle of the card toward when my CPU block is... I prefer a clean look.

Got to say I really like the design of EKWB’s 3080 FE block(the block itself not where water go in/out) if didn’t start the loops I might have been happy to have water going in and out at side instead of at the top. As FE got nice shroud on it compare to Vector design.

 

[denigor777]

Got to say I really like the design of EKWB’s 3080 FE block(the block itself not where water go in/out) if didn’t start the loops I might have been happy to have water going in and out at side instead of at the top. As FE got nice shroud on it compare to Vector design.

Yes, it's time that the PCIE connector standards for power were updated. We should have power delivery via the motherboard connectivity only again. I appreciate there's a question of resistance/heat here (mobo substrates would need a layer of thicker lanes to carry that current efficiently) but the cabling is becoming a mess, and doesn't help with airflow.

The FE connector does try to address this a bit, recognising that more and more power cables is a bad thing. But it needs sorting out architecturally now.

 

[Greebo]

I think they had 450 total ASUS 3090 orders.

I started off 252nd for the Strix OC, as of today, I'm 59, with 72 total outstanding, so depending on how many cancellations they've had, I was always towards the back of their strix OC queue, so I guess they maybe had around 300 total orders for that card.

I wouldn't like to guess how many have been cancellations rather than deliveries, to get the total down to 70

Yep. I was 354 I think from memory. I had only dropped to 270 when I managed to get my stix oc in stock from elsewhere about a month ago and I so glad I did. I would hate still been in the queue here, I think ai would still be around 130-140th

 

[VegasBaby]

Not having a go at anyone, I'm just curious as to why there is such brand loyalty to an AIB? I bought a 3090 yesterday for 10% over MSRP and a few brands were freely available without all the hassle of trying to beat the bots. No one seems to be selling Asus cards so there's obviously an issue with Asus 3090/3080's too. Personally I'm brand agnostic and maybe I've been lucky with the cards I've owned I've never had any problems. A 3090 is a 3090 no? Buy one now or wait until February well that's up to the individual I guess.

I'm only going for this because the Strix card is in my opinion the best one. If EVGA, MSI or Gigabyte delivered what I perceived to be the best I'd buy that instead. I don't care who is producing it, only the card itself matters to me.

If I'm already paying so much money I might as-well get the best one, right? these cards are minimum £1399 (FE from NVIDIA) or £1550+ for an AIB. It's like 4% extra to get "the best". At-least in my perception of what the best card is.

Also we cannot discuss competition but a well known competitor did ship a bunch of Strix 3090 OC's on the 15th of December (2 days ago). So they are being shipped out, obviously we had a 3 week period of no cards and people were saying there was fan problems so maybe they halted production to sort that out but it seems like it's back on track now.

I'll say this though, if the FE didn't use such a funky logic board and had nicer power connectors I'd take the hit on performance and the £300 savings over a Strix. I'm not however gonna pay £1,550 for a dual-8 pin AIB card which leaves £1700-£1800 3-pin AIB's that don't have a power limit as high as the Strix etc it's just logic here, I don't care who makes it.

 

[Greebo]

I'm only going for this because the Strix card is in my opinion the best one. If EVGA, MSI or Gigabyte delivered what I perceived to be the best I'd buy that instead. I don't care who is producing it, only the card itself matters to me.

If I'm already paying so much money I might as-well get the best one, right? these cards are minimum £1399 (FE from NVIDIA) or £1550+ for an AIB. It's like 4% extra to get "the best". At-least in my perception of what the best card is.

Also we cannot discuss competition but a well known competitor did ship a bunch of Strix 3090 OC's on the 15th of December (2 days ago). So they are being shipped out, obviously we had a 3 week period of no cards and people were saying there was fan problems so maybe they halted production to sort that out but it seems like it's back on track now.

I'll say this though, if the FE didn't use such a funky logic board and had nicer power connectors I'd take the hit on performance and the £300 savings over a Strix. I'm not however gonna pay £1,550 for a dual-8 pin AIB card which leaves £1700-£1800 3-pin AIB's that don't have a power limit as high as the Strix etc it's just logic here, I don't care who makes it.

New MSI Suprim is as well or if not better built than the strix and have a better cooler. If I hadnt already got my strix, I would be buying a suprim.

 

[VegasBaby]

New MSI Suprim is as well or if not better built than the strix and have a better cooler. If I hadnt already got my strix, I would be buying a suprim.

I saw the reviews but it has a max power limit of 450 watts vs the Strix OC's 480. So again the Strix is better. I'll be watercooling it so the logic board and its limits are what I care most about.

Can see here in Techpowerups review of the Suprim vs Strix that the Strix OC's higher as a result of its higher maximum TDP:



They also noted in their conclusion of the card as a negative:

• Overclocking complicated due to power limit

 

[Greebo]

I saw the reviews but it has a max power limit of 450 watts vs the Strix OC's 480. So again the Strix is better. I'll be watercooling it so the logic board and its limits are what I care most about.

Can see here in Techpowerups review of the Suprim vs Strix that the Strix OC's higher as a result of its higher maximum TDP:



They also noted in their conclusion of the card as a negative:

• Overclocking complicated due to power limit

As always though totally depends on winning the silicon lottery. I have seen a card which cant even get to 1900 no matter how much power the card has.

I have also seen Suprim X cards getting much higher av boosts that techpowerups review. I have also seen MSI 3090s flashed with the either strix 480w bios or evga 500W bios smashing the strix and EVGA card results.

Equally there is a guy i know who won the silicon lottery and even though he only has a 2 power pin connector his card will run at 2150Mhz max and 2100 on average smashing anything in Techpowerups list.

In general, you will only really gain from more than 450W if you get a good chip. All that roundup from techpowerup shows is just how good the individual chip on the card was really.

Dont get me wrong, I went for the strix cause like you I plan to watercool and it was the only 3 pin waterblock available at the time. I would be happy with any 3 pin 3090 card so long as I could get a waterblock for it as I am more than happy to flash the bios so its all going to come down to winning the silicon lottery, not whose card you bought as to what overclock you get.

 

[VegasBaby]

As always though totally depends on winning the silicon lottery. I have seen a card which cant even get to 1900 no matter how much power the card has.

For sure Silicon quality is important. It's one of the reasons I've gone with a card that has a very high out of the box OC, they'll have to bin to get those clocks across the thousands of cards they're going to sell. But yeah I've looked at 3 reviews of the Suprim so far (2 on YouTube and 1 written) and all 3 had it below the Strix in performance when it came to overclocking but all also had it running cooler and quieter on the stock cooler.

So my takeaway is, if you're not going to put a waterblock on the MSI is the one to get (silence is golden) otherwise the Strix is still king, but just my opinion based on the reviews I read.

 

[Greebo]

For sure Silicon quality is important. It's one of the reasons I've gone with a card that has a very high out of the box OC, they'll have to bin to get those clocks across the thousands of cards they're going to sell. But yeah I've looked at 3 reviews of the Suprim so far (2 on YouTube and 1 written) and all 3 had it below the Strix in performance when it came to overclocking but all also had it running cooler and quieter on the stock cooler.

So my takeaway is, if you're not going to put a waterblock on the MSI is the one to get (silence is golden) otherwise the Strix is still king, but just my opinion based on the reviews I read.

Except Asus said every chip they tested passed as a OC suitable chip which is why they announced they were only making OC cards until they cleared the backlog so buying a stric OC is the same silicon lottery as buying any 3090. 1860 isnt a high target for a boost and I have yet to see a single card, even 2 power pin ones, that couldnt do 1860. You might buy a stric oc and find it can only do 1890 max even with 480W going through it.

Like I said, I bought the strix oc but purely cause several waterblocks were available and all the other 3 pin boards werent. I would have been more than happy to save £200 and buy the gamerock 3 pin card as with the 2080ti, 1080ti and 980ti I have had top overlocking cards and they have been the "lesser" Inno3d and Pallit cards. My previous pair of Inno3d 2080tis both ran all day long at 2100Mhz and benched higher.

In fact the Gamerock pro cards have a bigger and better power supply than the strix oc and they have used better components on the board than Asus but waterblocks werent going to be available until January at the earliest and I couldnt wait as didnt want to dismantle my loop twice.

So personally if watercooling, I find you may as well go for whichever board has 3 power pins, The rest of the board is irrelevant unless you are buying something definitely speed binned like the kingpin or lightning.

I have in the past bought several cards and returned the poor silicon ones and then put waterblocks on the best performing ones. But cards didnt cost £1700 a pop then so could afford to do that lol.

 

[VegasBaby]

Except Asus said every chip they tested passed as a OC suitable chip which is why they announced they were only making OC cards until they cleared the backlog

Asus says a lot of things. I'd rather go by the reviews.

 

[Greebo]

Asus says a lot of things. I'd rather go by the reviews.

You honestly think Asus are testing every chip and only putting the good ones on their Asus OC boards????????

 

[vapor matt]

In fact the Gamerock pro cards have a bigger and better power supply than the strix oc and they have used better components on the board than Asus but waterblocks werent going to be available until January

The reason i bought a gamerock 3090oc was the better power delivery. it can run over 2050mhz on air at 78c temp limited, on water it will do much better. it has the strongest power delivery of any 3090 out there. but waiting for a water block like so many at the moment. hopefully in the new year!

 

[VegasBaby]

You honestly think Asus are testing every chip and only putting the good ones on their Asus OC boards????????

I believe they bin every 3090 chip they receive and they put them in all their cards based on how they perform. The Tuf, the Strix, the no-brand, the one they send to EK that only has dual power connectors. The whole thing. Same as MSI is binning, EVGA is binning.

The only thing I'm expecting is that the Strix OC 3090 has clocks the same as on the box at a minimum which is good enough for me, I'm happy to pay that premium to get at minimum what it says on the box.