Nvidia Is Happy With The Performance Of Fermi

[Geekazoid]

LADS lads i tell you what's going on and i say it how it is... Now that ATI are graphics market leaders without any competition the elite enthusiasts and many 'People' have all bough ATI 5XXX hence now we have ATI snobs these posts are full of bias... i for once am going to sit tight I have the money now to buy 2 5970's but don't because its a one way market i'm going to wait for the Fermi and by the looks of it they don't sound half bad and as many people have said its Nvidia were talking about not your average corner shop....

 

[Final8y]

I don't understand all the hate for Nvidia of late, I try not to post too much in the video card section of this forum because of all the petty bickering that goes on.

But I will just add, where were all these Nvidia haters for the past few years before the latest 5*** series cards from ATi came along?

People seem quick to forget the likes of the 8800GTX which was quite a considerable step up from anything previous,

and then the very affordable 8800 GT which brought cheap high res gaming to the masses.

Admitedly Nvidia are now slightly on the back foot, but lets face it they were on top for nearly 3 years before ATi finally got their arse into gear.

I'm intrigued to see if the anti-nvidiots are so cocky when Fermi is eventually released

Swings & roundabouts because all the ATI haters came out when the 8800GTX & the 8800GT were king & this place was very pro NV.

 

[chaparral]

Fermi isn't actually delayed or late... aslong as it comes out March 2010 as that was the original target....

I don't belive that..

Then why would nvidia stop making/supplying GTX 285/295 cards about 4 to 6 months to early if that was true..

 

[Rroff]

Because they hadn't banked on AMD getting out a sucessful DX11 card so early... and the 200 series became economically unsustainable for the most part.

 

[Gills]

I don't understand all the hate for Nvidia of late, I try not to post too much in the video card section of this forum because of all the petty bickering that goes on.

But I will just add, where were all these Nvidia haters for the past few years before the latest 5*** series cards from ATi came along?

People seem quick to forget the likes of the 8800GTX which was quite a considerable step up from anything previous,

and then the very affordable 8800 GT which brought cheap high res gaming to the masses.

Admitedly Nvidia are now slightly on the back foot, but lets face it they were on top for nearly 3 years before ATi finally got their arse into gear.

I'm intrigued to see if the anti-nvidiots are so cocky when Fermi is eventually released

Because this forum has been mostly over-run by militant ATI fanboys most of whom are comically in denial about being such.

Unfortunatly its driven away the knowledgeable people who used to make this forum so interesting 3-4 years ago.

+1 +1

 

[Pendu]

Because they hadn't banked on AMD getting out a sucessful DX11 card so early... and the 200 series became economically unsustainable for the most part.

The R700 gave nVidia a spanking and a sore ass they will never forget, lets hope.

 

[Rroff]

nVidia aren't really ones for remembering :S

 

[rolypolyman]

Because they hadn't banked on AMD getting out a sucessful DX11 card so early... and the 200 series became economically unsustainable for the most part.

Yeh, I go along with this pretty much. I am no fan boy of either but I have to admit its been good to see Nvidia take a pasting from Ati. I didnt like all those rehashed cards Nvidia came out with. But we need a competitive card from Nvidia soon to bring down the prices of the much overrated 5850\5870.

 

[Final8y]

Because this forum has been mostly over-run by militant ATI fanboys most of whom are comically in denial about being such.

Unfortunatly its driven away the knowledgeable people who used to make this forum so interesting 3-4 years ago.

I would not blame any side for driving away most of the knowledgeable people because i know many of them who left way before ATI became popular on this forum & many of them have set up there own forums & are on my MSN.

 

[jorzeh]

I exspect the Nvidia cards to be slightly faster but thats because Ati's 5xxx cards would have been out 4 months knocking on 5 months so if there not atleast 30% faster i personally would be shocked then i see Ati launch there 2nd gen of dx11 cards 8 weeks after that.. and then afew months nvidia rince and repeat.

It's been the same **** for the past 8 years or more.

 

[drunkenmaster]

LADS lads i tell you what's going on and i say it how it is... Now that ATI are graphics market leaders without any competition the elite enthusiasts and many 'People' have all bough ATI 5XXX hence now we have ATI snobs these posts are full of bias... i for once am going to sit tight I have the money now to buy 2 5970's but don't because its a one way market i'm going to wait for the Fermi and by the looks of it they don't sound half bad and as many people have said its Nvidia were talking about not your average corner shop....

See this is the problem with Nvidia fan boys, anything negative they take as hate, pure and simple. I say Fermi is late, because it is, thats a fact, and all you guys read is I hate Nvidia. Frankly I don't much like them, I had a 8800gtx, which while fast had 6 months of unstable memory leak vista 64bit drivers to contend with, they got a stable driver out(slightly slower) about 2 days before ATi launched the 2900xt, was I surprised, no. I had a 8800gtx, and a 2900xt, and in many games the 8800gtx would still crash(lotro for one) where the 2900xt was perfect and offered 60fps solid so what did I care).

Theres a difference between me saying, HAHAHA, Nvidia are late, I'm dancing on their grave, they suck balls, and me saying, they are late, they aren't selling anything right now, they don't have a mid end. Infact if you read my posts I actually generally point out, in most threads that its at least partially TSMC's fault that Fermi is so late, they have a crap process that's really seemingly not capable of producing the Fermi, or at least not producing it well. I guess thats more hate, defending them.

I don't belive that..

Then why would nvidia stop making/supplying GTX 285/295 cards about 4 to 6 months to early if that was true..

Exactly, sorry but it is late, Rroff is again talking nonsense, the fact that Nvidia publically stated Fermi availability for was it the 28th November, and paper launched it earlier than that. Sorry but its late, utter nonsense to pretend other wise. Fermi is the core, the core was supposed to be used on a card that at this stage should have been in stores for a month. They lied, they missed several dates and they didn't bank on 2 respins.

Because they hadn't banked on AMD getting out a sucessful DX11 card so early... and the 200 series became economically unsustainable for the most part.

Again twaddle, economically unsustainable? 55nm wafer's have dropped in price over time, they are cheaper to make today than 6 months ago, as TSMC have more and more 55nm capacity spare it becomes even cheaper. AMD don't sell a midrange card that can beat a 285gtx, and the cards they sell that do, cost £200+, thats a £70 bracket to work in, that they've been selling cards in at that price, with a slim profit, for over a year. ITs complete nonsense that they can't continue to make cards and sell them at a very slim profit. They stopped production largely because they hoped Fermi was out and selling by now, and also because they had tried, for over a year to make a gt200b part at 40nm, and failed repeatedly. Its most likely that they had anticipated very low yields from TSMC's crap process and assumed they would have a lot of salvaged cores with relatively few shaders and would want to sell those as the midend to recoup some cores from the wafer, a reason you really wouldn't want a competing product at the same price point.

Its almost hilarious(and I do take a little pleasure at the expense of whoever's idea it was) that they can't make a gt200b at 40nm with any success, so making one twice the size with a little more complexity was thought to be so easy.

The biggest reason some of us do find the situation funny, is mostly because of the fanboys reactions. When stating simple fact, like its late, we get a dozen reasons its not late, and yields aren't low and etc, etc, etc.

I don't want Nvidia to go down the tubes, I don't see how that helps me or would cause me pleasure, especially as I've made about 3k off their stock this year. I do like the underdog having it good and getting a little revenge for the complete nonsense Nvidia fans have been spouting for the last few years. Though I'll be honest, I don't like the way they practice their business, nor their tactics, but then, thats whats made me a few grand this year.

 

[Rroff]

Exactly, sorry but it is late, Rroff is again talking nonsense, the fact that Nvidia publically stated Fermi availability for was it the 28th November, and paper launched it earlier than that. Sorry but its late, utter nonsense to pretend other wise. Fermi is the core, the core was supposed to be used on a card that at this stage should have been in stores for a month. They lied, they missed several dates and they didn't bank on 2 respins.

Nov. launch was something they spun after the 5800 launch - they'd been talking about end of Q1 2010 for months and months before they stated that bit of PR and again since.

212 Based cards are what is supposed to have been in stores Sept/Nov but AMD pre-empted that.

Again twaddle, economically unsustainable? 55nm wafer's have dropped in price over time, they are cheaper to make today than 6 months ago, as TSMC have more and more 55nm capacity spare it becomes even cheaper. AMD don't sell a midrange card that can beat a 285gtx, and the cards they sell that do, cost £200+, thats a £70 bracket to work in, that they've been selling cards in at that price, with a slim profit, for over a year. ITs complete nonsense that they can't continue to make cards and sell them at a very slim profit. They stopped production largely because they hoped Fermi was out and selling by now, and also because they had tried, for over a year to make a gt200b part at 40nm, and failed repeatedly. Its most likely that they had anticipated very low yields from TSMC's crap process and assumed they would have a lot of salvaged cores with relatively few shaders and would want to sell those as the midend to recoup some cores from the wafer, a reason you really wouldn't want a competing product at the same price point.

To bring the 285 down in price they would have to axe off the 260/275 as theres no way they could sustain them at a much lower price (for one it would bump into their G92/GT216/215 market which are more profitable cores)... and then what do they do with the parts that don't make the 285 grade? (they either have to take the hit or increase the 285 price) they've been backed and backed themselves into a situation thats economically unsustainable.

 

[Squakingcow]

Although nVidia quite probably spread the rumours of the November-December launch to try and persuade people into waiting for them to release Fermi, nVidia will have known since before ATi launched the 58XX's that this wasn't possible.

Relative to the time slot that nVidia actually expected it to launch (not the dates reported to people outside of the company) Fermi probably isn't that far behind schedule. However relative to the release of ATi's cards it is late, as really both companys should have their 'next generation' GPUs out at around the same time (as with the 48XXs vs GT200s).

 

[Parsley]

I don't understand the bickering, why can't people just buy the best value for money card at the time for their performance needs and be done with it? At one point the 8800GTX was king, I got that and it lasted me for ages, and the card is still going strong in a friends rig performing perfectly acceptably.

Then the 4870 was brilliant value so I got that. Then I got a 5870 (at the normal price point before stores started hiking prices) and I will stick with this for the time being until I am not happy with its performance at 1920x1200. If nVidia actually had something to compete with it at the time, and not 3-4-5 months later, I would have given those a look and compared them though.

Whilst this wasn't as good on the value front as a 5850 I am a firm believer in getting a powerful single core card, less problems and such and ATI's high end single GPU cards are better value than nVidias (at least for the time being), they may not always be kings on the performance front but they still do brilliantly.

I will probably buy another when the Rage engine makes an appearance and then Crossfire if it is required. When I am next due to change cards entirely again I will see what is available on both fronts and buy whatever I deem to be the better value.

I do understand people spending big bucks on the best of the best graphics cards, it is their money and they can do what they like with it, if they want those extra frames per second frames then they are entitled to that. But sometimes the complete tunnel vision for specific brands does confuse me.

 

[rolypolyman]

I don't understand the bickering, why can't people just buy the best value for money card at the time for their performance needs and be done with it? At one point the 8800GTX was king, I got that and it lasted me for ages, and the card is still going strong in a friends rig performing perfectly acceptably.

Then the 4870 was brilliant value so I got that. Then I got a 5870 (at the normal price point before stores started hiking prices) and I will stick with this for the time being until I am not happy with its performance at 1920x1200. If nVidia actually had something to compete with it at the time, and not 3-4-5 months later, I would have given those a look and compared them though.

Whilst this wasn't as good on the value front as a 5850 I am a firm believer in getting a powerful single core card, less problems and such and ATI's high end single GPU cards are better value than nVidias (at least for the time being), they may not always be kings on the performance front but they still do brilliantly.

I will probably buy another when the Rage engine makes an appearance and then Crossfire if it is required. When I am next due to change cards entirely again I will see what is available on both fronts and buy whatever I deem to be the better value.

I do understand people spending big bucks on the best of the best graphics cards, it is their money and they can do what they like with it, if they want those extra frames per second frames then they are entitled to that. But sometimes the complete tunnel vision for specific brands does confuse me.

I feel exactly the same way and buy what I think is 'best bang for buck' regardless of who has it. At the moment, because I don't need DX 11, I am sticking with my 4890 and hoping things settle down, price wise, as time passes and Nvidia get their act together.

 

[PakJai]

I don't understand the bickering, why can't people just buy the best value for money card at the time for their performance needs and be done with it? At one point the 8800GTX was king, I got that and it lasted me for ages, and the card is still going strong in a friends rig performing perfectly acceptably.

Then the 4870 was brilliant value so I got that. Then I got a 5870 (at the normal price point before stores started hiking prices) and I will stick with this for the time being until I am not happy with its performance at 1920x1200. If nVidia actually had something to compete with it at the time, and not 3-4-5 months later, I would have given those a look and compared them though.

Whilst this wasn't as good on the value front as a 5850 I am a firm believer in getting a powerful single core card, less problems and such and ATI's high end single GPU cards are better value than nVidias (at least for the time being), they may not always be kings on the performance front but they still do brilliantly.

I will probably buy another when the Rage engine makes an appearance and then Crossfire if it is required. When I am next due to change cards entirely again I will see what is available on both fronts and buy whatever I deem to be the better value.

I do understand people spending big bucks on the best of the best graphics cards, it is their money and they can do what they like with it, if they want those extra frames per second frames then they are entitled to that. But sometimes the complete tunnel vision for specific brands does confuse me.

Exactly!

I cannot understand all this Nvidia vs ATi nonsense. Not asif they are your parents and that you have to put your life on the line for them. A product is just a product. If they come at a good price and performs well then they are worthy of me purchasing.

There's no such thing as future proving when it comes to technology and the crown whichever company is wearing right now will not last for long. It's a recurrence that ATi and Nvidia cannot avoid. This is what creates competition and drives the prices down.

I had 2x GTX 260 running on sLi at the beginning of the year and now I'm running 2x HD 5850 on x fire. Just buy whatever is good for you at the time and be done with it. Keep the meaningless bickering to minimum already.

 

[Final8y]

Exactly!

I cannot understand all this Nvidia vs ATi nonsense. Not asif they are your parents and that you have to put your life on the line for them. A product is just a product. If they come at a good price and performs well then they are worthy of me purchasing.

There's no such thing as future proving when it comes to technology and the crown whichever company is wearing right now will not last for long. It's a recurrence that ATi and Nvidia cannot avoid. This is what creates competition and drives the prices down.

I had 2x GTX 260 running on sLi at the beginning of the year and now I'm running 2x HD 5850 on x fire. Just buy whatever is good for you at the time and be done with it. Keep the meaningless bickering to minimum already.

+1

 

[kieves1]

Exactly!

I cannot understand all this Nvidia vs ATi nonsense. Not asif they are your parents and that you have to put your life on the line for them. A product is just a product. If they come at a good price and performs well then they are worthy of me purchasing.

There's no such thing as future proving when it comes to technology and the crown whichever company is wearing right now will not last for long. It's a recurrence that ATi and Nvidia cannot avoid. This is what creates competition and drives the prices down.

I had 2x GTX 260 running on sLi at the beginning of the year and now I'm running 2x HD 5850 on x fire. Just buy whatever is good for you at the time and be done with it. Keep the meaningless bickering to minimum already.

+1

 

[kylew]

I don't understand all the hate for Nvidia of late, I try not to post too much in the video card section of this forum because of all the petty bickering that goes on.

But I will just add, where were all these Nvidia haters for the past few years before the latest 5*** series cards from ATi came along?

People seem quick to forget the likes of the 8800GTX which was quite a considerable step up from anything previous,

and then the very affordable 8800 GT which brought cheap high res gaming to the masses.

Admitedly Nvidia are now slightly on the back foot, but lets face it they were on top for nearly 3 years before ATi finally got their arse into gear.

I'm intrigued to see if the anti-nvidiots are so cocky when Fermi is eventually released

LADS lads i tell you what's going on and i say it how it is... Now that ATI are graphics market leaders without any competition the elite enthusiasts and many 'People' have all bough ATI 5XXX hence now we have ATI snobs these posts are full of bias... i for once am going to sit tight I have the money now to buy 2 5970's but don't because its a one way market i'm going to wait for the Fermi and by the looks of it they don't sound half bad and as many people have said its Nvidia were talking about not your average corner shop....

There are only so many "ATi fanboys" because people like you will see somone one being negative about nVidia, and instantly assume it's because they're ATi fanboys or have some sort of unrealistic like of ATi.

I can't stand nVidia, but it's not because of ATi that I can't stand them, I dislike nVidia because of what nVidia have done over the last few years that I REALLY shouldn't have to mention AGAIN.

If there were 3 major players in the graphics card area (say intel for example) there would be FAR LESS "fanboy" accusations.

If I had a rant about nVidia, even if you thought I was a fanboy, you wouldn't have a clue what company it was for.

Again, if I slate the Wii, you wouldn't be able to call me a fanboy if I didn't say "this console is better than a Wii".

If I simply moaned about the Wii and nintendo, you wouldn't know where to start with fanboy accusations.

So why is it that I can't complain about nVidia when they deserve it without being called a fanboy?

I very very rarely compare nVidia and ATi and not when I complain about nVidia as it has nothing to do with ATi that I'm annoyed with nVidia.

Would you call me a samsung fanboy for complaining about maxtor hard disks? No you wouldn't.

If you put much thought in to it, you'd realise that fanboys do far more than complain about a company. They ALWAYS have to bring another company in to it, compare and tell everyone how much the "competing" company sucks.

They don't give any valid reasoning and they just quote things that are popular to say. For example, all the nVidia fanboys of late say things such as:

"Nvidia = Peace of mind, ATi = none stop problems"

"ATi suck, their drivers are always unstable, nVidia's drivers are perfect, never a problem"

"You pay a premium for nVidia hardware, even if it's the same or less performance than ATi hardware, you're paying for the quality of the nVidia brand"

"ATi are cheaper, so they're bad quality"

"Price performance doesn't matter only fps and benchmarks"

"pro rich gamers are the ones who actually own computer able to play games"

"NVidia just works out the box, ATi you've got to mess about first"

"its a collectors item and whoever buys it wont be using it for gaming" < -- Local nVidia fanboy defending the purchase of the GTX295 MARS

ATi Hotfix Thread

"ATi suck, they need hotfixes to keep their cards going, as soon as a new game comes out, your crossfire is broken, nVidia makes perfect drivers, they don't need hotfixes"

nVidia Hotfix Thread

"Cool, thanks, I'll try this out, I've been having problems with SLi on *newly released game*"

When you compare that to

"I'm fed up with nVidia's constant rebrands" and so on, you start realising who the real fanboys are.

You do get ATi fanboys of course, I'm not saying you don't, however, it does seem that they're a lot less common.

My theory is that you get so many nVidia fanboys because of how nVidia is proactive with their marketing, they're far more well known, and people new to computes are more likely to become familiar with nVidia than ATi.

Which starts the fanboy phase. They believe nVidia's marketing and "the way it's meant to be played" which drives them in to fanboy rages.

You'll then get the phase where they're getting a bit older and more sensible, they are apprehensive of ATi stuff, but stop regarding them as poor fault ridden hardware.

They finally get over their fanboy ways and realise that it doesn't matter what brand they get, but performance to price matters most.

Thus ends the phase of an nVidia fanboy.

I've seen it happen MANY MANY times on here, I could name names, but it's not really fair, though I'm sure most of the long term users will know who I'm talking about anyway.

 

[Yamahahahahaha]

tl;dr Let's argue about hypotheticals!

Things the Nvidia card will be;
1) Faster
2) More expensive
3) In shorter supply than the AMD cards

Things that the AMD cards are;
1) The fastest available
2) Cheaper than Nvidia cards of similar performance
3) In greater supply than Nvidia's next gen.

If you want a card now, you go AMD. If you want the fastest card in 6 months, you go Nvidia. If you want best bang / buck in 6 months, you go AMD.