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NVIDIA Preparing GK180 Based Tesla K40 “ATLAS’ GPU With Over 4 Teraflops Compute Performance
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Nvidia is very vocal about Steambox and loads of articles are making it sound like Nvidia is where it's going to be, while AMD are just getting on with Steambox support.
I realised that from the get go, if you go to Valve right now and ask them if Nvidia are partners of choice, the answer would be no, they would simply say it's open platform.
My previous post was a broad spectrum of the Nvidia PR machine in full flow regarding damage limitation, whether any of them are above/below board or just 'better' PR:
See what I mean.
Again simply put- 'It's called pre-emptive marketing, attack before you are attacked.'
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See what I mean.
Again simply put- 'It's called pre-emptive marketing, attack before you are attacked.'
No, I read it on here, they quoted and linked to the article that explained Nvidia's Open GL for Linux is way ahead of AMDs and that's why Valve are using Nvidia cards in their Steam boxes. It's not some big conspiracy theory.
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Its 70 better than the GK110!! 
With Nvidia launching a new highend 28NM GPU in the next few months,wouldn't this mean like AMD,they will be using 28NM for at least the next 6 to 9 months??
Perhaps Apple using 20NM initially,is squeezing both AMD and Nvidia??
With Nvidia launching a new highend 28NM GPU in the next few months,wouldn't this mean like AMD,they will be using 28NM for at least the next 6 to 9 months??
Perhaps Apple using 20NM initially,is squeezing both AMD and Nvidia??
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Haven't you stopped and asked yourself where all of a sudden these 'pro linux' articles surfaced from and why they surfaced considering not that long ago Linus Torvalds publicy berated Nvidia for their approach to Linux?
Again 'I read it' isn't the same as first hand experience, I'm not arguing the case of what's/who's better than the other here, not by a long shot, I'm simply pointing out the power of PR.
PR/Spin, happens everywhere, sometimes undercover paid for advertising would be better a description as it is happening and people do not have the slightest clue that it is.
Its 70 better than the GK110!!
With Nvidia launching a new highend 28NM GPU in the next few months,wouldn't this mean like AMD,they will be using 28NM for at least the next 6 to 9 months??
Perhaps Apple using 20NM initially,is squeezing both AMD and Nvidia??
Might have pushed them back a bit but AFAIK they are still getting allocation alongside Qualcomm for around Q1 ish 2014, so looking in the region of 6 months or so probably for Maxwell unless TSMC is going totally nuts with the ramp up.
28nm is fairly mature now and nVidia have a whole load of projects in various states that can use it so they could within reason pump out an arbitary GPU line at any time for whatever reason (and likely AMD to). We still haven't seen the proper full fat GeForce Kepler (no idea if we ever will) - not talking GK110 @ 2880SP.
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I personally have no experience with Linux, I can only comment on what I read.
I have however read on many occasions over the years that Nvidia offers better Linux support. This isn't something new that has suddenly popped up.
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The main reason we likely haven't heard about AMD Steamboxes is fairly simple. At this stage of the game what chips would they put in them, Kabini's, Richland, or Kaveri? If the latter, which is faster, newer, lower power, better IPC and better GPU, it's not release and under NDA's still meaning Valve couldn't put them out there in the wild because they wouldn't be allowed to yet.
SteamBoxes could come out without any Nvidia options at all, same way some of the console demo's were done on Intel/Nvidia hardware, it is simply what a particular company has lying around that can be used.
SteamBoxes could come out without any Nvidia options at all, same way some of the console demo's were done on Intel/Nvidia hardware, it is simply what a particular company has lying around that can be used.
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Linus was talking about the open-source driver.
The proprietary binary-only driver is what people praise.
The open-source driver is not from Nvidia, it is a community effort with help from Nvidia.
He was talking about their dealings with the Linux community and their lack of co-operation in open-source development.
I can see you want to paint this as "he says nvidia is bad, so that means nvidia isn't any good for Linux after all and it's all just viral marketing/spin/PR", but it's more nuanced than that. Nvidia IS better on Linux, at the current time and also historically.
I can see you want to paint this as "he says nvidia is bad, so that means nvidia isn't any good for Linux after all and it's all just viral marketing/spin/PR", but it's more nuanced than that. Nvidia IS better on Linux, at the current time and also historically.
Don't be silly
, there is countless other boomstick flaming threads making it far easier to paint a negative picture which I haven't posted in.I cba saying one thing for it to be taken the other way when I have clearly stated in this thread:
tommybhoy said:
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"Responding to a question by one of his audience complaining how NVIDIA was extremely stubborn in sharing technologies such as Optimus (dynamic switching between integrated and discrete GPUs) with the Linux community"
Its one thing that annoys me a bit (the entitlement complex of certain elements of the linux community) it would be great and all if nVidia was completely open and sharing with all its tech but the reality is its a business, quite a lot of its tech is covered by 3rd party patents/used under license other stuff would just result in people ripping off all the work nVidia has done to make their own profit and/or weaken nVidia to its competition by revealing too much to them and so on. For what it is nVidia has put a lot of effort into the linux side of things and tried to open up a lot of stuff where they can (maybe not made as much effort as they could). But at the end of the day they aren't obliged to do any of it so it would make more sense to encourage them to be part of the community and encourage them to open up more than flip them the finger.
Its one thing that annoys me a bit (the entitlement complex of certain elements of the linux community) it would be great and all if nVidia was completely open and sharing with all its tech but the reality is its a business, quite a lot of its tech is covered by 3rd party patents/used under license other stuff would just result in people ripping off all the work nVidia has done to make their own profit and/or weaken nVidia to its competition by revealing too much to them and so on. For what it is nVidia has put a lot of effort into the linux side of things and tried to open up a lot of stuff where they can (maybe not made as much effort as they could). But at the end of the day they aren't obliged to do any of it so it would make more sense to encourage them to be part of the community and encourage them to open up more than flip them the finger.
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But they have a proprietry driver for linux, it was just missing features for ages was it not? Also as stated he isn't actually saying "you don't have an open driver you're rubbish". He's simply saying Nvidia are the worst company he has worked with, there are MANY other companys that have said the same thing. Sony for instance, on their closed platform PS3 pretty much say they won't work with Nvidia again.
As such if Nvidia are simply crap to work with and behave like boobs, what interest is there in woo'ing them to get them more involved. Also it's a little silly to suggest its all about Nvidia protecting their IP.... because AMD/Intel/everyone else who supports linux has zero interest in protecting their IP... I really don't think so.
Anyway again I see very little specifically to do with saying they are poor in bringing an open driver, just specifically they are the worst manufacturer they have dealt with, and he is FAR from the only person to suggest this.
As such if Nvidia are simply crap to work with and behave like boobs, what interest is there in woo'ing them to get them more involved. Also it's a little silly to suggest its all about Nvidia protecting their IP.... because AMD/Intel/everyone else who supports linux has zero interest in protecting their IP... I really don't think so.
Anyway again I see very little specifically to do with saying they are poor in bringing an open driver, just specifically they are the worst manufacturer they have dealt with, and he is FAR from the only person to suggest this.
A lot of intel, AMD, etc. stuff in Linux is lacking (feature wise mostly) precisely because they won't open their IP up and aren't inclined for one reason or other to create a closed binary for the platform. (Often trying to do the best they can while keeping it open).
Most of the aggro is about the fact nVidia won't share a lot of stuff and very little is actually about how poor they are to work with as a company. It doesn't go down well in certain linux circles that they have a solid but closed software offering that shows up many of the open alternatives in a community built around open software.