NVIDIA Preparing GK180 Based Tesla K40 “ATLAS’ GPU With Over 4 Teraflops Compute Performance

Orangey · 6 Oct 2013 at 23:12

The original point of all this was that tommy tried to make people believe that Nvidia's superior Linux experience was some kind of astroturfing campaign.

I have spoken to too many people to entertain that theory.

drunkenmaster · 6 Oct 2013 at 23:23

So other companies don't share stuff, and he has no problem with that, but Nvidia doesn't share stuff and that is the problem. Even though he specifically said they were the single worst company he and his associates DEALT with.

Sorry but from what he said he specifically said one thing, you're suggesting it's another thing that ALL companies do, even though he has no problem with these other companies doing the same thing.

It's no where near the first(nor will it be the last) that says Nvidia are incredibly difficult to work with, this is precisely what he said, reading anything else into what he said is wishful thinking.

tommybhoy · 6 Oct 2013 at 23:54

Orangey said:
The original point of all this was that tommy tried to make people believe that Nvidia's superior Linux experience was some kind of astroturfing campaign.

TOTAL BS!!!

certain people only read what they want you to be saying, so their responses read as such

Rroff · 7 Oct 2013 at 00:14

drunkenmaster said:
So other companies don't share stuff, and he has no problem with that, but Nvidia doesn't share stuff and that is the problem. Even though he specifically said they were the single worst company he and his associates DEALT with.

Sorry but from what he said he specifically said one thing, you're suggesting it's another thing that ALL companies do, even though he has no problem with these other companies doing the same thing.

It's no where near the first(nor will it be the last) that says Nvidia are incredibly difficult to work with, this is precisely what he said, reading anything else into what he said is wishful thinking.

I'm not saying nVidia is or isn't an easy company to work with and I'd side on them not being as I've a little experience with the way its meant to be played program.

However its misleading to take what Linus is talking about as being about dealing with the company his complaints are centered around nVidia not sharing stuff.

The main difference in that nVidia does provide a fully functional closed piece of software most of those other companies provide a much more limited functionality but open piece of software, if they provided something similiar to nVidia he'd moan at them to.

That nVidia provides a solid, fully featured piece of software that is not only better than much of the open stuff but also is pivotal to so much stuff so can't just be ignored by the open source community is something that rubs some of them up the wrong way - its a big sore thumb to them - an anathema to everything they stand for but they can't do without it so give it hate instead.

sand_dune · 7 Oct 2013 at 00:17

Kaapstad said:
Something wrong with that table.

The specs for the GK180 look just like the the specs for a GK110 with all the SMX modules enabled lol.

That's correct. GK110 is a broken GK180

sand_dune · 7 Oct 2013 at 00:19

tommybhoy said:
Hmm, R290X must at least be faster than the 780, wait a minute, something is telling me it may also topple Titan too@4K and above.

290x Is definitely faster than a Titan in 4K no doubt about it.

sand_dune · 7 Oct 2013 at 00:21

Kaapstad said:
+1

NVidia are out of options, all this stuff is just spoil tactics.

Having said that I think the Titan will still beat a R9 290X but that is not the point, AMD will be targeting the GTX 780.

In 4K I believe it doesn't, judging by the tests from techpowerup. There are chances it narrowly beats stock 290x in regular resolutions.

sand_dune · 7 Oct 2013 at 00:23

no_1_dave said:
but in the recent 4k monitor review on guru3d they even said to use 4k on an ATI card you need to jump through hoops, where as on Nvidia it's basically plug & play.

thats nonsense. Most cards have supported 4K for ages. Ans AMD was the first one to offer high resolution gaming and is exactly famous for it. While Nvidia struggled with the same thing.

sand_dune · 7 Oct 2013 at 00:27

Machine translated:

Interviewer:
Valve recently announced the beta test of its gaming platform on the basis of SteamOS. During the announcement , it became known that NVIDIA has made a big contribution to the creation of a platform . What AMD is doing to counter or compete with that?

AMD:
There is no opposition . The fact is that we are working with Valve as closely as NVIDIA. I think the only difference is that one side of it just screams more than the other. If you ask Valve, what hardware partner they choose , they do not make a choice in favor of one or another producer . They will remain neutral. After all, Valve mentioned that we are talking about an open platform .

sand_dune · 7 Oct 2013 at 00:29

Also Nvidia publicly lied that their Tegra is going to be used in all AUDI cars. It didn't happen and AUDI uses Texas Instruments processors instead.

sand_dune · 7 Oct 2013 at 00:33

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Its 70 better than the GK110!!

With Nvidia launching a new highend 28NM GPU in the next few months,wouldn't this mean like AMD,they will be using 28NM for at least the next 6 to 9 months??

Perhaps Apple using 20NM initially,is squeezing both AMD and Nvidia??

That will probably happen in 10 months and by then nobody will even consider Nvidia. Unless they offer blackjack and hookers with their products.

no_1_dave · 7 Oct 2013 at 00:43

sand_dune said:
thats nonsense. Most cards have supported 4K for ages. Ans AMD was the first one to offer high resolution gaming and is exactly famous for it. While Nvidia struggled with the same thing.

It's nonsense?
Go and read the review.

Setup of the screen on an AMD Radeon card isn't that difficult but as it is right now you will need to create an Eyefinity setup and merge the two panels embedded in the monitor to 3840x2160 / 60 Hz. Also the first time you apply UHD it'll configured at 30 Hz. With AMD in-between the two screens there is a 1px wide line visible from top to bottom (vertical). Once you enforce 60Hz on the screen that clears up.

With a GeForce solution pretty much everything is going as planned. You install a compatible driver, select MST mode and the driver will do the rest. Seconds later you have your panel configured at 3840x2160 / 60 Hz and you are ready to rock and roll.

Gaming wise I'll be upfront and honest, AMD has got work to do as there are two issues to deal with. For example in-game if you move quickly from left to right (and that is visible on screen) with dual-HDMI then you can see a vertical tear / a delay in-between the two panels. Enabling VSYNC will probably solve this partly. This does not happen over DP btw. To battle that problem AMD's competition already has included technologies like Fliplock and Scanlock to combat vertical tearing in multi-GPU and multi-monitor scenarios. Basically Fliplock forces each GPU to flip frame buffers in sync and Scanlock forces each GPU and each head to display scanlines in sync. It won't be hard for AMD to implement this into their drivers. Secondly AMD of course still needs to support frame-pacing to prevent micro-stuttering. The lower your FPS is the more you will notice it. And at this resolution trust me, FPS overall and often can be low.

But of course, you know better so all this is nonsense :rolleyes:

Suarez7 · 7 Oct 2013 at 00:53

Does sand_dune work for AMD?

Kaapstad · 7 Oct 2013 at 01:09

sand_dune said:
In 4K I believe it doesn't, judging by the tests from techpowerup. There are chances it narrowly beats stock 290x in regular resolutions.

There is absolutely no way 4 x R9 290Xs are going to beat 4 Titans @4K

The R9 290X is totally unsuitable for 4K as it only has 4gb of vram, the only way you will get them to work is by turning down the settings which defeats the point of 4K.

teppic · 7 Oct 2013 at 01:18

AMD's Linux drivers aren't up to scratch. The OpenGL support is poor, while nvidia has extremely good support. If Valve wants to get prototypes out now, there's no viable option of using AMD. It's not about vendor, it's just the drivers. AMD is working on the drivers (finally), and is doing a lot of Linux investment.

Edit:

This is an article I've linked before that looks at some of the OpenGL issues with Linux development. The Tl;dr version is: nvidia - excellent, intel - good, amd - bad. It may be a little pro-nvidia biased, I don't know, but it is in line with the general consensus.

https://dolphin-emu.org/blog/2013/09/26/dolphin-emulator-and-opengl-drivers-hall-fameshame/

Tonester0011 · 7 Oct 2013 at 01:26

Kaapstad said:
There is absolutely no way 4 x R9 290Xs are going to beat 4 Titans @4K

The R9 290X is totally unsuitable for 4K as it only has 4gb of vram, the only way you will get them to work is by turning down the settings which defeats the point of 4K.

It's only 8.3m pixels :confused:

There's probably 1 or 2 games that would require more than 4GB with that many pixels. You're also discounting the fact AMD wont bring out an 8GB version of the card, they brought out a 6GB 7970.

drunkenmaster · 7 Oct 2013 at 01:35

Rroff said:
I'm not saying nVidia is or isn't an easy company to work with and I'd side on them not being as I've a little experience with the way its meant to be played program.

However its misleading to take what Linus is talking about as being about dealing with the company his complaints are centered around nVidia not sharing stuff.

The main difference in that nVidia does provide a fully functional closed piece of software most of those other companies provide a much more limited functionality but open piece of software, if they provided something similiar to nVidia he'd moan at them to.

That nVidia provides a solid, fully featured piece of software that is not only better than much of the open stuff but also is pivotal to so much stuff so can't just be ignored by the open source community is something that rubs some of them up the wrong way - its a big sore thumb to them - an anathema to everything they stand for but they can't do without it so give it hate instead.

It's misleading to suggest he's not talking about open drivers, even though he didn't say open drivers and ONLY said they were the most difficult company to deal with.

There are many ways a company can be difficult or easy to deal with. AMD could pointblank refuse to do an open driver or add a feature, but could take him out to lunch, say they are very sorry but they won't support it. Another company could say sure, we'll have it done in a couple weeks, then string the guy along with phone calls and promises for months or years.

He said NOTHING about open drivers in that quote, he said one thing along, Nvidia were the most difficult company he's ever dealt with.... you are being incredibly misleading by suggesting he meant anything else. He could have meant precisely what you are saying, but his quote and his words simply don't gel with what you are trying to portray.

his words are clear, he did not say "getting Nvidia to add features to an open driver is a pain in the ass" he said quite specifically that Nvidia was the worst manufacturer he or his associates had dealt with.

Saying for a fact that he meant something entirely different AND that he exactly didn't mean what he said is not misleading, it's ridiculous. Then to suggest I'm being misleading by not adding things he didn't say and ignoring what he said like you appear to be doing is just..... something else.

Rroff · 7 Oct 2013 at 02:41

When I say misleading you really need to dig in a bit behind the story and examine his motives/agenda and some of the background. Theres a lot more behind the meaning of the words than face value - if you know a bit of the back story you know hes got a very poor view of any company that doesn't just get behind the whole open source thing and nVidia not only not getting behind that in the way he'd like but also producing something thats a quality, albeit closed, product rubs him up the wrong way. Its nothing to do with how bad or good they actually are to deal with and everything to do with the fact they won't cooperate with exactly what he wants.

Silent_Scone · 7 Oct 2013 at 11:34

This will excite approximately 14 people in the UK. Maybe we can look forward to a adapted one in the future, but I won't hold my breath.

On the VRAM debate at the moment I'd take a guess that 4GB would be a fair minimum for a decent 4K experience. I doubt AMD would be promoting it so much if the card was totally incapable of performing lol.

sand_dune said:
thats nonsense. Most cards have supported 4K for ages. Ans AMD was the first one to offer high resolution gaming and is exactly famous for it. While Nvidia struggled with the same thing.

Well you say that but if you have a quick search you'll see that it's far from perfect...Just because they're promoting it doesn't mean in anyway that it's ready.

Kaapstad · 7 Oct 2013 at 14:34

MjFrosty said:
This will excite approximately 14 people in the UK. Maybe we can look forward to a adapted one in the future, but I won't hold my breath.

On the VRAM debate at the moment I'd take a guess that 4GB would be a fair minimum for a decent 4K experience. I doubt AMD would be promoting it so much if the card was totally incapable of performing lol.

Well you say that but if you have a quick search you'll see that it's far from perfect...Just because they're promoting it doesn't mean in anyway that it's ready.

As far as 4K goes AMD can claim what they like as no one is in a position to test it.

Trying the run for example BF4 @4K with 4gb cards will be a lot harder than trying to run it @1080p with 2gb cards.

4gb cards are totally unsuitable for 4K, anyone for Crysis 3.