NVIDIA RTX 50 SERIES - Technical/General Discussion

[StarShock]

So why are they £500+ more expensive? On your example, £100 ish more might be explainable.

Maybe nvidia are making £500 profit, maybe £1000. I saw a thing saying the actual cost of the die is only abou £250 so lots of space to screw around with the numbers. My point is just that the aib partners do have an sizable additional cost that nvidia doesn't have, which is the profit nvidia makes on the sale of the gpu it's self.

 

[danlightbulb]

Price gouging by the retailers.

I'm not sure whether it's retailers, distributors or the AIB themselves tbh. Perhaps it's mixed and varies by retailer.

Since 30 series the FE have been out in front in value terms by a long way. I said it before and I'll say again this time that you don't see AIB making their own version of Apple phones. Nvidia should just make the whole product and sell the whole product.

 

[Grim5]

 

[Scooby-DoobyDoo]

OCUK didn’t do a price hike with the Ryzen 9800x3d release, they kept to MSRP while others scalped.

That was the initial drop until they realised they could get more.

They have recently dropped the price 11.11% but the pound has only recovered 2%. So any argument that the price is linked to the exchange rate goes out the window.

They are a business and can price what they want to, but don't be fooled by the reasoning.

 

[danlightbulb]

Maybe nvidia are making £500 profit, maybe £1000. I saw a thing saying the actual cost of the die is only abou £250 so lots of space to screw around with the numbers. My point is just that the aib partners do have an sizable additional cost that nvidia doesn't have, which is the profit nvidia makes on the sale of the gpu it's self.

I would think that nvidias Fe cards are also including profit on the die itself in its price. They aren't including the die at cost.

Either Nvidia sells the die direct to us in its Fe card and makes its profit, or it sells the die to an AIB and makes its profit. Why would those numbers be different?

 

[Armageus]

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This thread is for Technical and General discussion related to the RTX 50xx series.

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NVIDIA RTX 50 SERIES - (PRE)ORDER DISCUSSION (***NO COMPETITOR HINTING***)

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[Boomstick777]

I admire Hardware Unboxed channel's willingness to post in depth on this, exposing why the 5080 is actually a 5070 in all but name, and also an in depth discussion on overpricing. Good on them

 

[StarShock]

I would think that nvidias Fe cards are also including profit on the die itself in its price. They aren't including the die at cost.

Either Nvidia sells the die direct to us in its Fe card and makes its profit, or it sells the die to an AIB and makes its profit. Why would those numbers be different?

The difference is the aib partners profit. Nvidia has a much bigger potential profit margin as it makes money on both the die and the card, and apparently they are happy to squeeze the aib partners, at least according to what evga said when they stopped making graphics cards.

In the end your original point was that it costs the same for aib cards as it does for founders cards, but it doesn't because nvidia makes their money on the die and the aib partners don't.

No doubt aib cards could be sold for the same as fe cards, but they would be a lot less profitable and in the end both nvidia and the partners are in it to make money.

 

[Sideeffect]

I think Nvidia made the problem for themselves by making what is effectively super cards that don't really fit into their line up performance wise or price wise, and then calling them 90 series when they should have just segregated them. Comparing shader count amount or performance vs these super cards to determine the lower cards names doesn't really make sense.

 

[danlightbulb]

Aibs shouldn't and don't make profit on the die because they don't make the die! All they should make is an uplift on the assembly, which Nvidia also will add as well.

 

[StarShock]

Aibs shouldn't and don't make profit on the die because they don't make the die!

Indeed, but they should make some profit. Nvidia can choose to make as much or as little profit as they want, the partners cannot.

Honestly I can see a point where the partners all follow evga. MSI have certainly been complaining loudly enough in recent weeks. And then where are we fe cards or nothing

 

[danlightbulb]

Indeed, but they should make some profit. Nvidia can choose to make as much or as little profit as they want, the partners cannot.

My point being we don't need the partners at all. If the same product is made by company A and company B and company B sells it for £200 more, then really they should be going out of business because no one should buy it.

Obviously that's not happening so people are buying at the AIB prices, or at more expensive retailers.

The AIB should make profit of course, but only on their share of the job. If a retailer makes a profit on selling an item, it shouldn't be on the whole item it should be on their contribution of value add only.

The issue we have is every step along the chain people expect profit on the whole chain.

 

[MrH]

I just got my Palit Gamerock 5080 and I'm a little confused by the adapter, do I need to put in 2 or 3 8pin? There wasn't a manual.

 

[Sideeffect]

8 pin is 150 watts maximum and the PCI-E slot I think is still 75 watts maximum so although it might work with 2 8 pins only (375 watts) it would probably be better to connect all the 3 x 8 pins to spread the load.

 

[RBImGuy]

Price gouging by the retailers.

Nvidia lost 600 billions in value last few days.
stock gonna be very limited the first 3 months
demand (some pay for overpriced cards) simply outmatch stock by far.
raising the price due to ensure limitations in stock is a classic move by a company.
Might even be double in a month or two.

 

[Varys]

I pre-ordered a 5090 Suprim

I’m pretty sure that exactly zero were available for immediate purchase.

As mentioned in another thread, it’s literally half as quiet as the FE and 5090 Astral when at load with the quiet bios. Worth it IMO!

wonder what the resale value will be on that £2600 card in 2 years time?

 

[StarShock]

My point being we don't need the partners at all. If the same product is made by company A and company B and company B sells it for £200 more, then really they should be going out of business because no one should buy it.

Obviously that's not happening so people are buying at the AIB prices, or at more expensive retailers.

The AIB should make profit of course, but only on their share of the job. If a retailer makes a profit on selling an item, it shouldn't be on the whole item it should be on their contribution of value add only.

The issue we have is every step along the chain people expect profit on the whole chain.

Capitalism! It sucks!

Until we have genuine competition at all levels we're going to be bad for everyone, except maybe jensen and his jacker maker

 

[Sargatanas2511]

I don't know how anyone didn't expect the price raises and availability issues really. The whole launch just reeks of Nvidia getting it out as fast as possible.

 

[Parple]

I just got my Palit Gamerock 5080 and I'm a little confused by the adapter, do I need to put in 2 or 3 8pin? There wasn't a manual.

You'll need to use 2 PCIE power cables plugged into all 3.

 

[Kenai]

The AIB should make profit of course, but only on their share of the job. If a retailer makes a profit on selling an item, it shouldn't be on the whole item it should be on their contribution of value add only.

The issue we have is every step along the chain people expect profit on the whole chain.

Which bit they make profit is entirely meaningless unless you intend to price control products or profit margins via external regulation.

Otherwise, it's all just waffle.

Who is to say the AIBs aren't only making profit on their 'share' of the job? It's just a big profit.

There's no actual practical difference whether you categorise it as them making £50 on the base card and £50 on the AIB add ons or £0 on the base card and £100 on the AIB add ons, it's still £100 to the consumer.

The same for the retailer - it's irrelevant how you choose to categorise, there is no practical difference to the consumer whether the retailer is making £100 on their 'share' or £20 on their 'share' and £80 on the rest. It's still £100 to the consumer.