NVIDIA RTX 50 SERIES - Technical/General Discussion

[Craig_d1]

I find it odd people are blaming OCUK for anything, its not their fault. Its simple supply and demand that dictates pricing. They know supply was short so they upped the price and the demand was high. The problem is not them, they are a business not a charity. The problem, if anyone was to point the blame, is people not using common sense when purchasing, with TONS of 0% finance available to people who don't even work well you get the rest.

Rather than buy 5080 wait for AMD offering at the very least to compare performance, Unfortunatley even when AMD had a competing product nobody was willing to purchase it and hence you now have Nvidia monopoly and with AI demand we gamers are a after thought to them. Depending on how this 5000 series sales go, you can expect 6090 to be £2500+ RRP and £3000+ for AIB card.

Don't agree
Look at xsx or sp5. they were massively in demand when launched...for a proper retail shop, the price was the msrp..not you tried to get one, if you wanted to skip and pay more you went to scalper. OCUK was offering their gpu's £100 to £150 more than the competion...what, because demand was there..so what..these cards have an msrp..keep them there. If they aren't being offered them at the proper rate, then they should take that up with nvidia/amd or whoever...this ramping up the price is b*****t. you're now saying someone that's saved up asnd goes to the retail shop can't by something because the shop has decided to scalp and put the price up...so only the richest get them 1st...nope..100% don't agree
their either a shop or a scalp mkt
they did ok on 9800x3d launch..i had it around £445 basis fx and vat so £450 is ballpark..then it went to £540...that's a 20% price hike..at the same time the exchange rate went from 1.32 to 1.23..so a 9%..putting it $480/1.23=£390 x VAT= £468...so where did £540 come from (i remember in thread fx came up)...scalping due to demand...In the states the shops were still $480, you just had to get lucky and be there for a restock
With you idea that demand means prices can go wherever, heaven help buying a xmas tree for christmas, when demand is high. aft ther first few the price will start going up..come advent, that £100 tree wqill be £500, as it's in demand...no, it's the whole reason there a msrp, placed there to stop people getting ripped off. we just don't have a government that protects the consumer anymore

 

[chrisgough]

You went from a 4090 to a 5080?

Yes I did, I only have a 4K/60Hz monitor so it’s not an issue. As mentioned the main driver was to get rid of the Zotac card as it had terrible noise so I achieved that. In the meantime I’ve been using my 4070 FE so I’ve gone from 4090 to 4070 to 5080. If I can score a 5090 in next few months I’ll just sell on the 4070 or 5080 depending on which one I want to keep as a backup card. Anymore than 3 months and the fomo will wear off and the 60 series will probably be Q4 2026 anyway, as they have brought the release forward 6 months of the data centre successor to Blackwell. Unless Jensen wants to milk 50 series in the consumer space due to lack of competition.

 

[Hostile_18]

Yes I did, I only have a 4K/60Hz monitor so it’s not an issue. As mentioned the main driver was to get rid of the Zotac card as it had terrible noise so I achieved that. In the meantime I’ve been using my 4070 FE so I’ve gone from 4090 to 4070 to 5080. If I can score a 5090 in next few months I’ll just sell on the 4070 or 5080 depending on which one I want to keep as a backup card. Anymore than 3 months and the fomo will wear off and the 60 series will probably be Q4 2026 anyway, as they have brought the release forward 6 months of the data centre successor to Blackwell. Unless Jensen wants to milk 50 series in the consumer space due to lack of competition.

How does it feel going from 4090 to 5080 in terms of turning off fps and just enjoying the games? I imagine it's very similar experience.

 

[chrisgough]

How does it feel going from 4090 to 5080 in terms of turning off fps and just enjoying the games? I imagine it's very similar experience.

In my situation it feels great as I’ve gone from an ugly Zotac 4 slot noisy beast to a 2 slot SFF silent card - my fault shouldn’t have gone Zotac but it’s all I could get in October 2022 at launch. FPS wise it’s within 15% of the 4090 and that’s before an overclock, in my use cases. It’s a non issue for me as I have 4K/60hz monitor which I’ve used for around 9000 hours since 2018 so reluctant to upgrade, however with the release of the 27 inch 4K oled monitors this year I’ll probably bite.

So for me it’s a better experience as I don’t have to be annoyed by the crappy Zotac fans always coming on and ruining the experience. I appreciate that people with better brand 4090s don’t face this issue but in my personal experience (and everyone’s experience is different) it’s great!

The other thing is if I did have a 5090 instead of a 5080 people would start to pick other faults with my build, like I’ve only got a 13700K and it’s a bottleneck etc. I’ll admit I’ll never have the best build, but with 2 young kids now and work commitments etc I don’t get as much time as I did back in the 3080 days etc for gaming (lockdown helped too) and priorities have shifted.

 

[Poneros]

Spoiler: 5090

Any chance you can try The Surge 1 or 2? Would love to see how it handles them at 8K.

 

[CornyOC]

Don't agree
Look at xsx or sp5. they were massively in demand when launched...for a proper retail shop, the price was the msrp..not you tried to get one, if you wanted to skip and pay more you went to scalper. OCUK was offering their gpu's £100 to £150 more than the competion...what, because demand was there..so what..these cards have an msrp..keep them there. If they aren't being offered them at the proper rate, then they should take that up with nvidia/amd or whoever...this ramping up the price is b*****t. you're now saying someone that's saved up asnd goes to the retail shop can't by something because the shop has decided to scalp and put the price up...so only the richest get them 1st...nope..100% don't agree
their either a shop or a scalp mkt
they did ok on 9800x3d launch..i had it around £445 basis fx and vat so £450 is ballpark..then it went to £540...that's a 20% price hike..at the same time the exchange rate went from 1.32 to 1.23..so a 9%..putting it $480/1.23=£390 x VAT= £468...so where did £540 come from (i remember in thread fx came up)...scalping due to demand...In the states the shops were still $480, you just had to get lucky and be there for a restock
With you idea that demand means prices can go wherever, heaven help buying a xmas tree for christmas, when demand is high. aft ther first few the price will start going up..come advent, that £100 tree wqill be £500, as it's in demand...no, it's the whole reason there a msrp, placed there to stop people getting ripped off. we just don't have a government that protects the consumer anymore

Agreed, despite such great customer and retail service at 9800X3D launch, they hiked the price up to £540, because people will buy it? That's what scalpers do... Now they done the same with RTX 5000 series. I don't know who made this decision at OCUK, but it's quite grim and puts me off to support their shady business practice by purchasing anything anymore from them. I will, but they will be one of the last options.

And I am glad I bought my 5090 from another retailer...

 

[XeNoNF50]

You're still making assumptions. Firstly that everyone is gaming at 4K and secondly that they'd use FG to raise framerates rather than perhaps dropping DLSS from quality to performance.

Making blanket claims that path tracing needs a 5090 is just ridiculous.

I am purely speaking from my own perspective and experience as someone that plays at 4k which (now I actually am assuming) should be very obvious by now.

A 5090 just means less compromises, which is, again quite obviously, preferable.

Anyhow I will likely compromise and keep my 4090.

 

[CornyOC]

Yes I did, I only have a 4K/60Hz monitor so it’s not an issue. As mentioned the main driver was to get rid of the Zotac card as it had terrible noise so I achieved that. In the meantime I’ve been using my 4070 FE so I’ve gone from 4090 to 4070 to 5080. If I can score a 5090 in next few months I’ll just sell on the 4070 or 5080 depending on which one I want to keep as a backup card. Anymore than 3 months and the fomo will wear off and the 60 series will probably be Q4 2026 anyway, as they have brought the release forward 6 months of the data centre successor to Blackwell. Unless Jensen wants to milk 50 series in the consumer space due to lack of competition.

I am not confident there will be another flagship class GPU next gen. They seem to be pushing this frame gen upscaling AI stuff, I think at some point these GPUs will just made to run these apps and no raster. It may not going to be next gen, but eventually the xx90 cards will be phased out from gaming class imo.

 

[XeNoNF50]

How did you manage to get so close on both FE models? Button went straight from Coming Soon to Out of Stock for me.

There were 3 drops of the 5090 on launch day. I am on a discord channel where someone got a link for the first drop. From that link I auto refreshed the page every few seconds. They keep the page active with no add to basket button until the next drop tens of minutes later where it appears. Wouldn't add to basket that time, then reappeared once more tens of minutes later. Until the page started saying out of stock, then there is no more drops on that day.

Same pattern as FEs for 3000 and 4000 series.

 

[Personality+]

Any chance you can try The Surge 1 or 2? Would love to see how it handles them at 8K.

On a 1440p monitor unfortunately, so probably would let me do 5120x2880 at 200%? or would it let me run it at 8K?

 

[Boomstick777]

Yes I did, I only have a 4K/60Hz monitor so it’s not an issue. As mentioned the main driver was to get rid of the Zotac card as it had terrible noise so I achieved that. In the meantime I’ve been using my 4070 FE so I’ve gone from 4090 to 4070 to 5080. If I can score a 5090 in next few months I’ll just sell on the 4070 or 5080 depending on which one I want to keep as a backup card. Anymore than 3 months and the fomo will wear off and the 60 series will probably be Q4 2026 anyway, as they have brought the release forward 6 months of the data centre successor to Blackwell. Unless Jensen wants to milk 50 series in the consumer space due to lack of competition.

I get what you're saying, with the noise etc, but why not pick up a cheap stop gap and sit on your money until 5090s come into stock? The 5080 is so disappointing, in terms of cost, performance, etc. At least with the 5090 you can say, it is the fastest card. You've lost performance with the 5080 and may of paid over the odds for it.

I really think Nvidia are ripping of their customers with this gen. However if you're happy with the card, it's all good.

 

[hornetstinger]

In my situation it feels great as I’ve gone from an ugly Zotac 4 slot noisy beast to a 2 slot SFF silent card - my fault shouldn’t have gone Zotac but it’s all I could get in October 2022 at launch. FPS wise it’s within 15% of the 4090 and that’s before an overclock, in my use cases. It’s a non issue for me as I have 4K/60hz monitor which I’ve used for around 9000 hours since 2018 so reluctant to upgrade, however with the release of the 27 inch 4K oled monitors this year I’ll probably bite.

So for me it’s a better experience as I don’t have to be annoyed by the crappy Zotac fans always coming on and ruining the experience. I appreciate that people with better brand 4090s don’t face this issue but in my personal experience (and everyone’s experience is different) it’s great!

The other thing is if I did have a 5090 instead of a 5080 people would start to pick other faults with my build, like I’ve only got a 13700K and it’s a bottleneck etc. I’ll admit I’ll never have the best build, but with 2 young kids now and work commitments etc I don’t get as much time as I did back in the 3080 days etc for gaming (lockdown helped too) and priorities have shifted.

You could just increase the volume of your speakers a little bit more to drown out a noisy GPU.

 

[Sin_Chase]

How did you manage to get so close on both FE models? Button went straight from Coming Soon to Out of Stock for me.

You need to use an API to get stock drop alerts. If you are relying on manual refreshing you are unlikely to succeed.

I ordered almost an hour after launch via an API and got an FE. I was hoping to get an AIB then 45 minutes later saw that there was 0 stock of AIB cards so casually tried for an FE. I didn't even rush through the checkout. I only made sure that all my address, card details etc were available in Firefox autofill and my bank transaction 2FA was to hand to use ASAP.

 

[XeNoNF50]

You need to use an API to get stock drop alerts. If you are relying on manual refreshing you are unlikely to succeed.

I ordered almost an hour after launch via an API and got an FE. I was hoping to get an AIB then 45 minutes later saw that there was 0 stock of AIB cards so casually tried for an FE. I didn't even rush through the checkout. I only made sure that all my address, card details etc were available in Firefox autofill and my bank transaction 2FA was to hand to use ASAP.

Yep, that is where the guy who had the first link got it from. I have the weblink that pings the API. But out of sight out of mind! Gonna skip this generation... Maybe...

 

[chrisgough]

I get what you're saying, with the noise etc, but why not pick up a cheap stop gap and sit on your money until 5090s come into stock? The 5080 is so disappointing, in terms of cost, performance, etc. At least with the 5090 you can say, it is the fastest card. You've lost performance with the 5080 and may of paid over the odds for it.

I really think Nvidia are ripping of their customers with this gen. However if you're happy with the card, it's all good.

I think it’s all relative, for me if I can get a 5090 from a stock drop soon the 5080 will have been my stop gap card. I previously went from 2080 Ti to 3080 and didn’t regret it, although you could argue the Ampere generational gains were good.

I like to get the latest generation on release, as if it’s 6 months later it’s not shiny any more and there will be something else I’ll be spending money on like house improvements or changing cars etc. I like to know I’ve got a new gen card from day 1 so don’t have to waste time queuing or checking discord at 1am etc even if it is deemed inferior.
The other doubt I have about the 5090 is in summer my 4090 made my room too hot so god knows how 575W feels. Although I’m probably just saying this to make me feel better as I’m stuck with a peasant card for now. I really hope 60 series is more efficient on the new node as 50 series is just a Ti release really for both 80 and 90 at least.

 

[chrisgough]

You could just increase the volume of your speakers a little bit more to drown out a noisy GPU.

This is true however with 2 children 3 and under, this isn’t an option anymore when they’re asleep lol

 

[Boomstick777]

I think it’s all relative, for me if I can get a 5090 from a stock drop soon the 5080 will have been my stop gap card. I previously went from 2080 Ti to 3080 and didn’t regret it, although you could argue the Ampere generational gains were good.

I like to get the latest generation on release, as if it’s 6 months later it’s not shiny any more and there will be something else I’ll be spending money on like house improvements or changing cars etc. I like to know I’ve got a new gen card from day 1 so don’t have to waste time queuing or checking discord at 1am etc even if it is deemed inferior.
The other doubt I have about the 5090 is in summer my 4090 made my room too hot so god knows how 575W feels. Although I’m probably just saying this to make me feel better as I’m stuck with a peasant card for now. I really hope 60 series is more efficient on the new node as 50 series is just a Ti release really for both 80 and 90 at least.

I'm not of fan of having to re sell tech worth over £1000, so that way of doing it would seem like hassle to me, would rather pick up cheap stop gap and have waited and just bought the 5090 when they came into stock. I get what you're saying though. To satisfy the new and shiny I would have maybe spend a bit of money on a 9800X3D and a mobo to go with it in the meantime. Ready for when the 5090 is available.

I do think each to their own though, this gen has just been such a disappointment for me. I love new tech, Nvidia is the thief of joy this gen

 

[chrisgough]

I'm not of fan of having to re sell tech worth over £1000, so that way of doing it would seem like hassle to me, would rather pick up cheap stop gap and have waited and just bought the 5090 when they came into stock. I get what you're saying though. To satisfy the new and shiny I would have maybe spend a bit of money on a 9800X3D and a mobo to go with it in the meantime. Ready for when the 5090 is available.

I do think each to their own though, this gen has just been such a disappointment for me. I love new tech, Nvidia is the thief of joy this gen

I upgrade my GPU every generation but don’t bother with CPU etc. I’ve still got my old build which is a 9900K which I use my 4070 in, I built a new system 2 years ago now (time flies) which is a 13700K I guess if I carry on with same cadence it’s not due an upgrade until 2028. I could always sell the 4070 and have the 5080 as the backup card. I had a 4070 and 4090 last gen for this so could have a 5080 and 5090 this time around instead lol

 

[Hedge]

I upgrade my GPU every generation but don’t bother with CPU etc. I’ve still got my old build which is a 9900K which I use my 4070 in, I built a new system 2 years ago now (time flies) which is a 13700K I guess if I carry on with same cadence it’s not due an upgrade until 2028. I could always sell the 4070 and have the 5080 as the backup card. I had a 4070 and 4090 last gen for this so could have a 5080 and 5090 this time around instead lol

If you spend on all the regular upgrades, why haven't you bothered to buy a decent screen by now? Running a 60hz screen seems utterly insane to me.

 

[hornetstinger]

If you spend on all the regular upgrades, why haven't you bothered to buy a decent screen by now? Running a 60hz screen seems utterly insane to me.

yeah even I have a 144hz monitor, with AMD 480 8GB.