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NVIDIA RTX 50 SERIES - Technical/General Discussion

SeeNoWeevil said:
Yeah this is the route of the problem. It's quite clear now that anyone with a financial stake in 12VHPWR cannot be trusted and some regulatory body should be stepping in.
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I have no problem with 12VHPWR, not that I've read the standards published by PCI-SIG, as connectors go it does its job of connecting one thing to another electrically.

I have an issue with how it's being used, like i said I've not read the standards but i have to assume there's something in them to the effect that any device using a 12VHPWR connector should handle the 600W as 3/4 separate rails of 150/200W. I say i have to assume because if the standard doesn't have something like that it's effectively saying that it's OK to draw 600W @ 50 amps down a single 16 AWG wire despite those wires only being rated for a maximum of 20 amps at the distance (1m/3 feet) we're talking about.
 
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Murphy said:
I have no problem with 12VHPWR, not that I've read the standards published by PCI-SIG, as connectors go it does its job of connecting one thing to another electrically.

I have an issue with how it's being used, like i said I've not read the standards but i have to assume there's something in them to the effect that any device using a 12VHPWR connector should handle the 600W as 3/4 separate rails of 150/200W. I say i have to assume because if the standard doesn't have something like that it's effectively saying that it's OK to draw 600W @ 50 amps down a single 16 AWG wire despite those wires only being rated for a maximum of 20 amps at the distance (1m/3 feet) we're talking about.
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Sure. When I say '12VHPWR' I mean the whole spec. I'm assuming there's nothing in the spec that insists devices need to manage the power draw. If so, this is all on Nvidia.
 
Murphy said:
I know that was sarcasm, and it's not like we haven’t already seen plenty of finger pointing at various culprits, but i do find it concerning how a company can sell a device with such a badly designed power delivery circuitry it seems to be more a case of when, not if, it's going to cause a fire.
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IDK man, when we're talking about low single digits on a product that requires hands-on consumer installation, I really have trouble getting indignant over this .01% failure rate
 
So if there was a .01% (it's not but whatever) chance that some appliance in your house could burn it down with you and your family in it would you still be so blase?

Because there's been product recalls (NZXT's PCI-E riser springs to mind) on things with lower volumes and lower chances in the past.

e: I mean it's why fuses and circuit breakers exist so should we just get rid of those because the chance of ever needing them is really low.
 
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5070Ti numbers from 3DMark...

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https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-...than-rtx-4070-ti-super-in-leaked-3dmark-tests

So it's about the same as a 4080 Super. Actual reviews are this Weds 19th and Thurs 20th. Remember, no FE edition so it's all AIB and a lot of them are going to be priced super close, and in some cases above, a 5080 FE.
 
So expectations to be loads of chips available for the 50 Series. I bet they don't reduce the prices for us in reponce.
Create Supply and Demand issue. Up the prices. Release more and everyone smiling they have just paid another 10-30% above RRP
Still good news for anyone who have already sold graphics cards and don't have one.

Link to TomsHardware Source of info.
 
Murphy said:
So if there was a .01% (it's not but whatever) chance that some appliance in your house could burn it down with you and your family in it would you still be so blase?

Because there's been product recalls (NZXT's PCI-E riser springs to mind) on things with lower volumes and lower chances in the past.

e: I mean it's why fuses and circuit breakers exist so should we just get rid of those because the chance of ever needing them is really low.
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You don't think there have been a couple ps5s that had electrical components not handle mancufacturing/transit/user installation?

And it's worse on PC, where you actually have to install the thing, and god knows what other components these people are using.
 
kute said:
You don't think there have been a couple ps5s that had electrical components not handle mancufacturing/transit/user installation?
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No, i think any "electrical components not handle mancufacturing/transit/user installation" should fail gracefully without the chance of burning someones house down, nice of you to strawman me so soon though. :)

No one is saying components do not fail, that would be a daft claim to make. People are saying that when/if something does fail it should do so safely, that to use your example if "ps5s that had electrical components not handle mancufacturing/transit/user installation" there should some means to know something like that has happened so the device doesn't continue to draw power.

BTW it's not gone unnoticed that you failed to address my point about if you're saying that we should get rid of fuses and circuit breakers because there's a really low chance that people will ever need them, would you care to address that?
 
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Rogueywon said:
It's not the failure rate that's the problem, it's the failure state. Electronics that break are not uncommon. Anybody remember the Xbox 360 launch? But the Red Ring of Death didn't involve melting plastic and fire hazards.
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For me it's also the fact that it's a design flaws, so every card could potentially fail this way. And all nvidia seems to want to do about it is pass the responsibility off to the psu makers, the cable makers and the customers.
 
Murphy said:
No, i think any "electrical components not handle mancufacturing/transit/user installation" should fail gracefully without the chance of burning someones house down, nice of you to strawman me so soon though. :)

No one is saying components do not fail, that would be a daft claim to make. People are saying that when/if something does fail it should do so safely, that to use your example if "ps5s that had electrical components not handle mancufacturing/transit/user installation" there should some means to know something like that has happened so the device doesn't continue to draw power.

BTW it's not gone unnoticed that you failed to address my point about if you're saying that we should get rid of fuses and circuit breakers because there's a really low chance that people will ever need them, would you care to address that?
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5070Ti only 10% slower than the 5080? Makes the 5080 look like a bit of a lemon.

Thought it would be 20% slower, in-between the 4070Ti Super and 4080 since Nvidia was comparing it to the base 4070Ti.
 
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StarShock said:
For me it's also the fact that it's a design flaws, so every card could potentially fail this way. And all nvidia seems to want to do about it is pass the responsibility off to the psu makers, the cable makers and the customers.
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Exactly, these need recalling and thats the end of it really, just have to check reddit and other places everyday it is a 4090 and 5090 with melting connectors and if nvidia doesn't see this on their own reddit and forums it's basically saying we don't care and some safety organisation needs to get involved now and do something about this mess before someone gets killed.
 
Murphy said:
I have no problem with 12VHPWR, not that I've read the standards published by PCI-SIG, as connectors go it does its job of connecting one thing to another electrically.

I have an issue with how it's being used, like i said I've not read the standards but i have to assume there's something in them to the effect that any device using a 12VHPWR connector should handle the 600W as 3/4 separate rails of 150/200W. I say i have to assume because if the standard doesn't have something like that it's effectively saying that it's OK to draw 600W @ 50 amps down a single 16 AWG wire despite those wires only being rated for a maximum of 20 amps at the distance (1m/3 feet) we're talking about.
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The real question is why are there so many blasted wires when its only capable of sensing only one? Replace them all with a 600W+ rated single and be done with it...
 
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