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NVIDIA RTX 50 SERIES - Technical/General Discussion

SuperElectric said:
NVIDIA made the 4080, then made a mildly slower 4080, and a slightly faster 4080. Now we have a mildly faster 4080 and a slightly slower 4080!

The five 4080's:

4070 Ti Super
5070 Ti
4080
4080 Super
5080

Considering the original 4080 was the least popular, no wonder everyone is complaining when NVIDIA keep releasing more of them :cry:
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Isn't it six variants of the 4080, given the 4070 Ti was originally billed as the 4080 12GB?
 
willhub said:
Must say I'm totally not interested in the 50 series now, even more so now I've bought LG C4, it just seems like a lemon of a generation and perhaps the 60 series will get Jensen in his leather jacket telling us it's now safe to upgrade again.
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4080 is not fast enough for your C4, I would rather play on lower resolution than having watch a slide show on OLED.
 
SuperElectric said:
NVIDIA made the 4080, then made a mildly slower 4080, and a slightly faster 4080. Now we have a mildly faster 4080 and a slightly slower 4080!

The five 4080's:

4070 Ti Super
5070 Ti
4080
4080 Super
5080

Considering the original 4080 was the least popular, no wonder everyone is complaining when NVIDIA keep releasing more of them :cry:
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The original 4070ti was called the 4080 12gb for a brief moment in time before everyone kicked off and they changed it. So can add both of those to the list
 
Matson said:
The hate for DF is so childish :cry:. They literally show you all the graphs on screen of the exact performance and because they say performance is "fine" there shills. Why dont you just look at the graphs only then.
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They made a good point in one of their DF Direct videos recently - How much do their reviews actually matter?

the 4060/Ti was universally panned and yet they flew off the shelves according to the Steam hardware survey.
 
VincentHanna said:
They made a good point in one of their DF Direct videos recently - How much do their reviews actually matter?

the 4060/Ti was universally panned and yet they flew off the shelves according to the Steam hardware survey.
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If you had $300-400 to spend on a new GPU what other choices were there?

The 7600XT 16gb wasn’t exactly compelling and launched a nearly a year later, 7600 was like $20 cheaper than a 4060 with similar raster but worse RT and no DLSS. The 7700XT was $450 so above that budget.
 
Emlyn_Dewar said:
Is it a step towards not having Nvidia throttle the supply to drive prices up?
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Right now, I don't think Nvidia are benefitting from those inflated prices. The new scheme they've launched in the US will, presumably, allow people to buy cards at RRP. We've seen some AIBs jack up their RRPs, plus scalping by retailers and the usual private parties, but Nvidia aren't beneficiaries themselves. Its their incompetence in going ahead with a launch when there's no stock in circulation that's created the situation, but they are making less money than they would have done if supply was plentiful and cars were selling at RRP.
 
Matson said:
The hate for DF is so childish :cry:. They literally show you all the graphs on screen of the exact performance and because they say performance is "fine" there shills. Why dont you just look at the graphs only then.
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How is it childish not to agree and provide facts why ?
And 90% of other reviews not finding the same tells me all I need to know
 
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Rogueywon said:
Right now, I don't think Nvidia are benefitting from those inflated prices. The new scheme they've launched in the US will, presumably, allow people to buy cards at RRP. We've seen some AIBs jack up their RRPs, plus scalping by retailers and the usual private parties, but Nvidia aren't beneficiaries themselves. Its their incompetence in going ahead with a launch when there's no stock in circulation that's created the situation, but they are making less money than they would have done if supply was plentiful and cars were selling at RRP.
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I think having everyone prepped and ready for these prices, is just perfect for them to quote market circumstances to up the price. "It's out of our hands"!

Edit: I doubt they are making less money at all tbh. They're selling everything they make in the higher non-gaming card side. Doubt they give a hoot about the 5070ti being priced beyond a 5080.
 
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uscool said:
How is it childish not to agree and provide facts why ?
And 90% of other reviews not finding the same tells me all I need to know
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I think a lot of it comes down to the perspective of the review. The DF review is asking the question "If you have an outdated GPU and want a new one in this range (or are putting together your first PC), is the card worth buying?" The answer they come to is "Yes, if you can get it at RRP." That actually seems fair. The GN and other reviews seem to be asking a slightly different question: "Is this enough of an advance over comparable cards from the previous generation to justify a purchase if you have one of those previous generation cards?" Their answer to that is "No, obviously".

Both of those are valid questions and they both come to answers that seem justified.
 
Rogueywon said:
I think a lot of it comes down to the perspective of the review. The DF review is asking the question "If you have an outdated GPU and want a new one in this range (or are putting together your first PC), is the card worth buying?" The answer they come to is "Yes, if you can get it at RRP." That actually seems fair. The GN and other reviews seem to be asking a slightly different question: "Is this enough of an advance over comparable cards from the previous generation to justify a purchase if you have one of those previous generation cards?" Their answer to that is "No, obviously".

Both of those are valid questions and they both come to answers that seem justified.
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Indeed

Are people even watching the review, or are they just looking at the Youtube heading?

Essentially all they've said is - You can easily overclock it to get better performance than a 4080 Super, so if you can get it for MSRP, it's a better buy than a 4080 Super would be.
 
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Rogueywon said:
I think a lot of it comes down to the perspective of the review. The DF review is asking the question "If you have an outdated GPU and want a new one in this range (or are putting together your first PC), is the card worth buying?" The answer they come to is "Yes, if you can get it at RRP." That actually seems fair. The GN and other reviews seem to be asking a slightly different question: "Is this enough of an advance over comparable cards from the previous generation to justify a purchase if you have one of those previous generation cards?" Their answer to that is "No, obviously".

Both of those are valid questions and they both come to answers that seem justified.
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Just one example here can find more, within the first screens they are showing the 5070ti overclocked Vs previous none overclocked cards what's that all about? Would it not be fair to show them all overclocked

Overclocking is a bonus no one gets same results that should be left at the end imo
 
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Rogueywon said:
I think a lot of it comes down to the perspective of the review. The DF review is asking the question "If you have an outdated GPU and want a new one in this range (or are putting together your first PC), is the card worth buying?" The answer they come to is "Yes, if you can get it at RRP." That actually seems fair. The GN and other reviews seem to be asking a slightly different question: "Is this enough of an advance over comparable cards from the previous generation to justify a purchase if you have one of those previous generation cards?" Their answer to that is "No, obviously".

Both of those are valid questions and they both come to answers that seem justified.
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There is no RRP, WTF is DF and you on about. What is this mystical RRP thing that no retailer has available, is this the winning lotto ticket? Am I in the matrix?
 
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Its so wierd that people seem to get riled up by reviews. Like feel free to criticise, specially if they get their numbers wrong. But it's almost invariably one small part of a relatively long review where they are offering an opinion that is slightly different and people get all upset.
Extra dumb in this case as every review has said something along the line of "at msrp it's OK, but likely won't be available at msrp" but some people put more emphasis "ok" and less on "won't be available" and apparently that's enough to set people off.

Though this might just be the grumpy old man in me coming out, but it seems like the whole lack of media literacy thing again. People seem to have strong feelings about things without actually thinking about it
 
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