NVIDIA RTX 50 SERIES - Technical/General Discussion

[Rogueywon]

It won't.

It's doubtful going to be cheap enough, and they won't get the OEM market share to make a difference.

AMD and rDNA 4 are not going to be the saviours of GPU'S for gaming.

How many generations in a row now is it we've heard complaints about Nvidia's pricing and performance gains and been told AMD would come along and fix everything? I certainly remember it for the 3000 and 4000 series. I think we may have had it for the 2000 series as well. And every time, they under-deliver and set their RRP £50 below Nvidia.

AMD missed a massive own goal here by not taking advantage of Nvidia's delay over the usual two year cycle to go first. They might have got some attention and won a bit of marketshare if they'd done that. As it is, we're doomed for another cycle of people sucking in through their teeth and saying "Well, it's competitive on raster and a little bit cheaper, but it loses out in RT and upscaling", only this time there won't even be competitors at the top end.

 

[Subliminal Aura]

Who cares about raster - thank yourself lucky that Nvidia gave you RT and upscaling and even dropped a few cards for the gamers, personally I wouldn't even have bothered doing that

Nvidia is now known as AiDiva

 

[Purgatory]

Disagree, the 4090 and 5090 show it’s possible.

In the old days the performance difference between say a 780Ti and a Titan was in the single digits but there was a huge price difference.

Now they have widened the performance difference between the 90 part and the rest of the stack to try to funnel as many people to buy the 90 card and a hugely inflated cost relative to the other parts (profit).

One of the offshoots of this is that all the other cards in the stack are compressed in to a smaller performance window.

It’s pure greed on nvidias part.

Pure greed and cheaped out on the latest node too, 4nm node they are using is not the latest node 3nm is and many companies are using it.. But Nvidia decided to up the power use to silly levels and use a cheaper node and charge more for the luxury melting connectors and less power components to protect the cards, power cables and PSUs. Total disaster of a generation right from the start on so many levels.

Leather jacket man has really lost the plot, did he not see how the 2000 series was taken, this generation will make the 2000 series look like great sellers now. Honestly people should keep their wallets in their pockets and let them suffer now as they deserve too. Greed, lack of safety concerns for their customers that pay them and the pure lies about the MSRP pricing that they have either lost total control of or are happy to see the scalping from their AIBs, resellers so they can jack up the fake MSRP again next generation.

5070Ti Fake MSRP of $750 and really starting at $900-$1300 for what was originally a 60 class card that was $250-299. They really are having a laugh now.

 

[robin66]

Pure greed and cheaped out on the latest node too, 4nm node they are using is not the latest node 3nm is and many companies are using it.. But Nvidia decided to up the power use to silly levels and use a cheaper node and charge more for the luxury melting connectors and less power components to protect the cards, power cables and PSUs. Total disaster of a generation right from the start on so many levels.

Leather jacket man has really lost the plot, did he not see how the 2000 series was taken, this generation will make the 2000 series look like great sellers now. Honestly people should keep their wallets in their pockets and let them suffer now as they deserve too. Greed, lack of safety concerns for their customers that pay them and the pure lies about the MSRP pricing that they have either lost total control of or are happy to see the scalping from their AIBs, resellers so they can jack up the fake MSRP again next generation.

5070Ti Fake MSRP of $750 and really starting at $900-$1300 for what was originally a 60 class card that was $250-299. They really are having a laugh now.

I fully agree. But leather jacket man doesn't really care about us gamers anymore. He's too busy lapping up all of that money from AI sales now.

 

[Subliminal Aura]

Honestly people should keep their wallets in their pockets and let them suffer now as they deserve too

Will barely cause a dent, might just flake a little paintwork on Nvidia's coffers - that's about it
The gaming GPU market is tiny, Nvidia doesn't need it but is keeping it alive for you so be thankful

 

[Purgatory]

It was possible and there was a large increase between 3090 and 4090, but there was a large gap in the node to account for that increase. 3090 was 8nm and 4090 4nm and it was something like a 70% performance increase. The 5090 is still on a 4nm node with some architectual changes and had a roughly 25% increase over the 4090 but it took 25% more power draw to get it there. TSMC even say performance increase node to node will not be massive increase. The 6090 will more than likely be on a 3nm node and TSMC own documents say "At the same power consumption, the 3nm node could potentially offer a 10-15% performance increase over the 4nm node". So you can either give it more power for more gains, or gain in efficency or else at the same wattage it will be roughly 15% better than a 5090.

The next step is 3nm and we cant go like the 3090 and 4090 and jump 4nm in a generation, it just isnt technically possible anymore.

Price to performance sucks, even for the 5090 and its only going get worse due to their greed.

The 3090 was Samsung 8nm remember because Nvidia was trying again to cheap out and make TSMC give them cheaper wafers at the time but they refused as they have more than enough customers to play that game with Nvidia as we saw back then there wasn't enough wafers they could make then for all their customers that wanted to pay.

Now what you have to understand is Samsung's 8nm was really like TSMC 10nm, So really the 3090 to 4090 was really a 6nm jump in a generation.

 

[Purgatory]

I fully agree. But leather jacket man doesn't really care about us gamers anymore. He's too busy lapping up all of that money from AI sales now.

AI is going to go pop soon enough, not one company is making money from it so far, apart from the hardware makers and software makers selling the snake oil. It's coming and why he is so worried and other companies selling AI wares to get their products out and sold quickly before it goes pop as it will as they know.

 

[sx_turbo]

Pure greed and cheaped out on the latest node too, 4nm node they are using is not the latest node 3nm is and many companies are using it.. But Nvidia decided to up the power use to silly levels and use a cheaper node and charge more for the luxury melting connectors and less power components to protect the cards, power cables and PSUs. Total disaster of a generation right from the start on so many levels.

Leather jacket man has really lost the plot, did he not see how the 2000 series was taken, this generation will make the 2000 series look like great sellers now. Honestly people should keep their wallets in their pockets and let them suffer now as they deserve too. Greed, lack of safety concerns for their customers that pay them and the pure lies about the MSRP pricing that they have either lost total control of or are happy to see the scalping from their AIBs, resellers so they can jack up the fake MSRP again next generation.

5070Ti Fake MSRP of $750 and really starting at $900-$1300 for what was originally a 60 class card that was $250-299. They really are having a laugh now.

I don't think he cares, as long as they sell what they have allocated to sell (which I can garuntee they will) then they've made their money. They no longer rely on enthusiast GPU to prop the company up, now they have market share and almost monopoly they are quite happy to sell a few thousand less when they are making much higher margins, they have never made such margins from gpu sales before, they've seen people are willing to spend it,.and they've seen what creating scarcity does to the margins, the horse has bolted from the stables and it's going to be very difficult to get it back in. They've kept the 4n node because it's cheaper than the 3n bigger profit margins. They know what they are doing, people who say otherwise are wrong.

It's not just the GPU market that's doing it though, it's also being done in other industries, the automotive industry is one, they've all stopped going for the budget end of the market, they've realised they can produce less cars and sell at higher margins and earn more profit, so less work = more profit, people are willing to pay for it, and they are willing to wait for it, why would they go back to the old model of mass producing cars that sit on forecourts for upto a year and have to offer heavy discounts to shift them, when you can produce less cars and cars are sold off forecourts in weeks, and people are willing to spend £18k on a base spec vauxhall Corsa (absolute madness to me)

 

[Purgatory]

Will barely cause a dent, might just flake a little paintwork on Nvidia's coffers - that's about it
The gaming GPU market is tiny, Nvidia doesn't need it but is keeping it alive for you so be thankful

They will need the gamers soon enough, once the AI bubble pops, if it wast for crypto mining and now AI they would be begging gamers to buy.

Remember how they started as a company.. making gaming cards and that is what they really are a graphics card company it was only because other uses were found for GPUs that they became so much more greedy, Nvidia has always been greedy it is nothing new, but at least before prices of graphics cards would come down and would really have a true MSRP that even then people laughed at and would wait a few months for the prices to come down and wait for some games package etc to come with the cards.. Now Nvidia does none of this and retailers just raise the prices and do the odd fake sale where it really goes back to the same silly price it was a few days before they raised it.

It has all gone mad really.. I will laugh when the AI bubble pops for them as it will and why he is training gamers to now pay $2k fake MSRP as the normal and once AI pops he has already made sure the gamers will again be funding him at $3k prices ..for a GPU that use to really cost $500-600.. and called a 80-80Ti class and had a full die not these cut down fake chips sold as 90 class now and the 80 class that is really 60Ti-70 class.. None of these cards are even close to a Titan class that was less than half the price of these cut down chips now and only have Gforce drivers..

Sorry inflation excuses don't work and all the fake excuses from retailers and AIBs etc ...

 

[Subliminal Aura]

I do agree with you @Purgatory but it's market forces and sure enough Nvidia will find new markets to place themselves in. Credit to them, they're doing well

 

[Joxeon]

Disagree, the 4090 and 5090 show it’s possible.

In the old days the performance difference between say a 780Ti and a Titan was in the single digits but there was a huge price difference.

Now they have widened the performance difference between the 90 part and the rest of the stack to try to funnel as many people to buy the 90 card and a hugely inflated cost relative to the other parts (profit).

One of the offshoots of this is that all the other cards in the stack are compressed in to a smaller performance window.

It’s pure greed on nvidias part.

There is only one next gen card now, everything else is slower than last gen. It’ll be 4 years before a £1000+ vanilla 80 beats the 5090 and it’s not even like the 5090 was anything special.

 

[Grim5]

Nvidia launches "verified access" sales program for its forum members. To be eligible you need to have an Nvidia forum account that was created before 30 January 2025 and you must be located in the US. You can then signup with Nvidia and they will sell you a 5090/5080 directly

This is not available in the UK

NVIDIA launches Verified Priority Access for GeForce RTX 5090 and 5080 - VideoCardz.com

NVIDIA is doing ‘something’ to fix RTX 50 availability Better late than never. Perhaps NVIDIA knows that RTX 5090/5080 availability won’t improve in the near future, and they are tired of reading mean comments (and reviews) about how overpriced their cards have become. Perhaps they are just like...

videocardz.com

 

[Emlyn_Dewar]

Create a problem, and then make people feel like winners for being able to buy a product.
Consumers are the problem.

 

[CornyOC]

AI is going to go pop soon enough, not one company is making money from it so far, apart from the hardware makers and software makers selling the snake oil. It's coming and why he is so worried and other companies selling AI wares to get their products out and sold quickly before it goes pop as it will as they know.

I think AI will be extremely useful in science, research and development sectors. However, the currently hyped aspects of AI are just a marketing stock investor grab, just like home robots from the 80s that brought you a cup of drink if you were lucky (they poured it all over when not). Nobody really cares, it's just a new thing to see spaghetti Will Smith and fake hentai pics, but the hype will stabilize soon and AI stocks will settle way lower. I think they are going to be like high value projects backed by governments, like ITER.

 

[Emlyn_Dewar]

Just wanted to check, 5070 still = 4090, right?

 

[SuperElectric]

NVIDIA made the 4080, then made a mildly slower 4080, and a slightly faster 4080. Now we have a mildly faster 4080 and a slightly slower 4080!

The five 4080's:

4070 Ti Super
5070 Ti
4080
4080 Super
5080

Considering the original 4080 was the least popular, no wonder everyone is complaining when NVIDIA keep releasing more of them

 

[RBImGuy]

No supply.
Very expensive.
No performance difference in gameplay.
Cant die shrink and add performance anymore.

the 5000 series is simply doa.

 

[Richdog]

Nvidia launches "verified access" sales program for its forum members. To be eligible you need to have an Nvidia forum account that was created before 30 January 2025 and you must be located in the US. You can then signup with Nvidia and they will sell you a 5090/5080 directly

This is not available in the UK

NVIDIA launches Verified Priority Access for GeForce RTX 5090 and 5080 - VideoCardz.com

NVIDIA is doing ‘something’ to fix RTX 50 availability Better late than never. Perhaps NVIDIA knows that RTX 5090/5080 availability won’t improve in the near future, and they are tired of reading mean comments (and reviews) about how overpriced their cards have become. Perhaps they are just like...

videocardz.com

Create a problem, and then make people feel like winners for being able to buy a product.
Consumers are the problem.

This is actually a step towards a solution to scalpers hoovering up stock, its a good thing.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Sorry inflation excuses don't work and all the fake excuses from retailers and AIBs etc ...

Don't forget about the supply chain one!

This is actually a step towards a solution to scalpers hoovering up stock, its a good thing.

But is there a UK form?

Ahh exactly:

Of course, the first thing we should note is that this is only for the US market. There is no news about other regions.

 

[Joxeon]

This is actually a step towards a solution to scalpers hoovering up stock, its a good thing.

Having stock in the first place would be good start, remember when OCUK used to do the pic with a big mountain of stock before launches and that was quite a few years back now so you’d think Nvidia would have vastly ramped up on launch stock since those days yet it seems despite demand increasing the day one stock is actually decreasing.