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NVIDIA RTX 50 SERIES - Technical/General Discussion

Just one example here can find more, right away the first screen is showing the 5070ti overclocked Vs previous none overclocked cards what's that all about? Would it not be fair to show them all overclocked or show all at stock ?
I’ve always thought they were a bit biased and hence don’t use them as a resource for gathering information regarding new releases from either good purveyor of GPUs.

Why did they talk about 5070ti overclocked and published data with it?- the average gamer doesn’t do this only enthusiasts like us know how to do this.

For example a friend kept his 3090 ftw3 for the last 4 years and always run it on stock- he was worried he would “wear the graphics card out” if he overclocked it. (Even though undervolting it would have reduced heat and power draw and made it last longer).
 
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There is no RRP, WTF is DF and you on about. What is this mystical RRP thing that no retailer has available, is this the winning lotto ticket? Am I in the matrix?
You're completely misreading this. DF said it is decent value if you can get it at RRP/MSRP. That's a conditional statement. The further implication of it is that if you have to pay above RRP/MSRP, it is not decent value.
 
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I’ve always thought they were a bit biased and hence don’t use them as a resource for gathering information regarding new releases from either good purveyor of GPUs.

Why did they talk about 5070ti overclocked and published data with it?- the average gamer doesn’t do this only enthusiasts like us know how to do this.

For example a friend kept his 3090 ftw3 for the last 4 years and always run it on stock- he was worried he would “wear the graphics card out” if he overclocked it. (Even though undervolting it would have reduced heat and power draw and made it last longer).

If they gonna show overclocking results they should leave it at the end as bonus which exactly what overclocking is no one result is the same , which most other reviews do
 
What makes me apprehensive about buying now is I think AIBs are going to add better power monitoring to their cards. Asus really screwed up their implementation on the Astral. They went to all the effort of adding a bunch of shunts and then screwed it all up by forcing the user to run their ****** software to monitor it. It needs to run in firmware and actually DO something (e.g drop the power limit) if the cable gets imbalanced.

Without any kind of shunt monitoring on a 12VHPWR connection, the absolute worst case cable imbalance would overload the cable at a paltry 114W. In a more realistic scenario like Der8auer observed where current was spread over 2 'and a bit' individual lines, that gives a maximum of about 300W. Which I guess tracks with what cards we see melting cables.
 
What makes me apprehensive about buying now is I think AIBs are going to add better power monitoring to their cards. Asus really screwed up their implementation on the Astral. They went to all the effort of adding a bunch of shunts and then screwed it all up by forcing the user to run their ****** software to monitor it. It needs to run in firmware and actually DO something (e.g drop the power limit) if the cable gets imbalanced.

Without any kind of shunt monitoring on a 12VHPWR connection, the absolute worst case cable imbalance would overload the cable at a paltry 114W. In a more realistic scenario like Der8auer observed where current was spread over 2 'and a bit' individual lines, that gives a maximum of about 300W. Which I guess tracks with what cards we see melting cables.
I could be wrong but I'm not sure they would be allowed to do that, I thought Nvidia gave them reference designs and they have to stay within the design limits.

I agree it would be nice if some of the AIBs added better power monitoring, per pin OCP, or whatever, but i think they can only go so far. It could be that Nvidia don't allow them to shut the system down, design a 50 series card with multiple power planes, or whatever else they could do. Perhaps Asus took things as far as they were allowed to, who knows.
 
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Essentially all they've said is - You can easily overclock it to get better performance than a 4080 Super, so if you can get it for MSRP, it's a better buy than a 4080 Super would be.
I have a big problem with that. OC isn't a given and sure thing and definitely isn't the same on every single card. People like that should know that better than average viewer, hence it's just disingenuous marketing rubbish at best. Plenty of people could buy thinking it's the same on every single card and then feel lied to when it doesn't work that well for them.
 
Why are etailers releasing Product landing pages so soon ?
It's a gift for the bots

These should only be live at 2pm or at least change the product ids at 2pm

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I have no problem with scalpers paying these inflated prices. Just so long as no one buys from the scalpers. In an ideal world everyone will just sit on their wallet till the prices come down and the scalpers get to pay extra for cards they can't sell
 
I have no problem with scalpers paying these inflated prices. Just so long as no one buys from the scalpers. In an ideal world everyone will just sit on their wallet till the prices come down and the scalpers get to pay extra for cards they can't sell
if there were no buyers they wouldn't be scalped. but ppl will pay whatever to show off that new shiny gpu
 
I could be wrong but I'm not sure they would be allowed to do that, I thought Nvidia gave them reference designs and they have to stay within the design limits.

I agree it would be nice if some of the AIBs added better power monitoring, per pin OCP, or whatever, but i think they can only go so far. It could be that Nvidia don't allow them to shut the system down, design a 50 series card with multiple power planes, or whatever else they could do. Perhaps Asus took things as far as they were allowed to, who knows.
They seem to be allowed to do whatever they want BEFORE the nvidia specced power monitoring shunts i.e the ones AFTER it all gets merged into one 12V blob. At least from a hardware perspective. I don't see why it would matter if they act on those values to drop the power limit or shutdown the card. This is Nvidia we're talking about though so who knows what kinds of ******* insane requirements they have.
 
From what people have said in the past about how much control Nvidia exerts over their partners it seems like they've become more controlling over time.
 
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