NVIDIA RTX 50 SERIES - Technical/General Discussion

[gpuerrilla]

Nvidia is gatekeeping performance and trying to force people to pay more if they want an upgrade, it’s largely working as well, how many times do you see people saying I upgraded from a 3060ti to 4070ti/5070ti or a 3070 to 5080 etc.

I looked how many bought 4090's to be honest. The phrase "best value" summed up your point best. Its about the upsell right now (throw in the 9070 > XT too as the $50 is pointless).

 

[Rawr]

Mid range seems to have totally died, when they roll out the 5060 we can assess the entry range but to say there has been stagnation is a huge understatement.

I feel like it was already kind of dead with the 40 series launch, and this just solidified it further. The 4080 price jump was absolutely insane.

 

[humbug]

When influential tech journalists keep banging on about how AMD are worth 30 to 40% less what do we think that does for Nvidia's thinking?

Would i be right to suggest that from Nvidia's point of view all they need to do is keep a +20 to 30% margin over AMD and use DLSS as a marketing crutch to keep their monopoly?

30 to 40%, this is impossible for AMD, this is unreasonable and bashing AMD for not doing that just adds to their already bad mindshare, effectively what these tech journalists are saying to AMD is meet my unreasonable demands or i will insure your mindshare remains in the toilet. They do this because they know Nvidia will not budge from overpricing unless AMD are near half the price, they know this because that is the precedent these tech journalists set.

This has been going on for more than 10 years, the HD 290 was = to a GTX Titan at literally half the price, all these tech journalists did was make jokes about how loud they were, this was the reference cards only, the AIB ones all had good coolers and yet they kept up that pee take for the duration of the cards life and beyond.
Its almost as if AMD making such a substantially good card at that price was a personal insult to them, they behaved like they hated it.

AMD must be allowed a rational space to reasonably compete in, attitudes need to change because if they don't this will only get ever worse.

The most staunch of Nvidia fan's need to hold these people accountable in this behaviour if only to save themselves.

9070 reviews are out tomorrow, i don't want to see any of the usual crap from these tech journalists unless its actually warranted.

I don't think that's entirely correct. I thought the 9070XT trailed 10-15% behind the 5070TI in RT
Someone please correct me if I have the wrong data

Yes the 9070 XT trails the 5070 Ti by about 10 to 15% in RT, when i say "beat it by 15%" i'm talking about the 5070, sorry if that wasn't clear enough.

 

[gpuerrilla]

I feel like it was already kind of dead with the 40 series launch, and this just solidified it further. The 4080 price jump was absolutely insane.

I wouldnt really call the 80 series mid range but the overlap of getting less for more has taken the biscuit for too long now.

 

[Joxeon]

30 to 40%, this is impossible for AMD, this is unreasonable and bashing AMD for not doing that just adds to their already bad mindshare, effectively what these tech journalists are saying to AMD is meet my unreasonable demads or i will insure your mindshare remains in the toilet. They do this because they know Nvidia will not budge from overpricing unless AMD are near half the price, they know this because that is the president these tech journalists set.

Let’s not pretend AMD have been doing enough either. Last gen they delivered largely similar or sometimes even worse price to performance than Nvidia right across the tier stack.

 

[Poneros]

So long as Nvidia sells every GPU they make then the only problem they have is that they can't make more. Sad situation but here we are.

 

[kute]

Let’s not pretend AMD have been doing enough either. Last gen they delivered largely similar or sometimes even worse price to performance than Nvidia right across the tier stack.

I believe you but what card(s) was that?

 

[humbug]

AMD have made some blunders, the 7900 XT springs immediately to mind, the **** AMD got for that was warranted, but lets also not pretend AMD have not tried everything including heavily undercutting Nvidia with good cards (see my R9 290 vs GTX Titan example) and all of it has failed.

 

[humbug]

There comes a point where we have to admit the problem might not be entirely AMD.

 

[Rawr]

I wouldnt really call the 80 series mid range but the overlap of getting less for more has taken the biscuit for too long now.

Nah but it gave them way more room to increase the price of what used to be the mid range. I remember paying £270 for a 970. They're wanting almost £600 for this, which was almost what the 3080 cost.

 

[Joxeon]

I believe you but what card(s) was that?

Nvidia delivered better cost per frame on the $800 4070ti vs AMDs direct competitor the $900 7900XT.

 

[Rawr]

The big issue with the 7xxx AMD cards was the price just wasn't competitive on launch. They undercut Nvidia slightly but they offered worse performance anyway in some scenarios, like RT, so they didn't really win out on the value front. The cards themselves weren't bad, and once the prices dropped most people spoke about them fondly.

 

[mahius]

Reviews are out - buy a 9070xt.

Rubbish card. Don't know why anyone wouldn't spend the extra £40 on a 9070xt.

More vram, likely almost 30% faster in raster and probably a bit faster in RT too.

Keep it quiet... some of us actually want to be able to order

Spoiler

9070XTs

and we don't want more demand than there already is!
At this rate, even with more stock it may sell out instantaneously and cause website crashes!

 

[alec]

Nvidia delivered better cost per frame on the $800 4070ti vs AMDs direct competitor the $900 7900XT.

imaginge if 7900XT released closer to $650-700 where it eventually settled...

 

[Joxeon]

The big issue with the 7xxx AMD cards was the price just wasn't competitive on launch. They undercut Nvidia slightly but they offered worse performance anyway in some scenarios, like RT, so they didn't really win out on the value front. The cards themselves weren't bad, and once the prices dropped most people spoke about them fondly.

It was to little to late by then as Nvidia launched the super series, sure AMD had slightly better value but in terms of 4070S vs 7800XT and 4070tiS vs 7900XT but it wasn't by much and didn't outweigh the superior RT + feature set.

 

[[timko]]

Anyone upgrading to a 5070, here's something from another thread...

 

[Andromeda1983]

5070 performance = 4070 Super +5% more peformance ( or basically a 4070Ti with less VRAM )

So much for "4090" performance Mr Jensen ... man what a disgustingly disappointing launch the 5000 series has been. Hopefully AMD's launch ends up being a saving grace, if so I'll likely get the 9070XT and go AMD for the first time since ATI was bought out by AMD

 

[gpuerrilla]

 

[Joxeon]

Well there we have it guys, 4090 performance at $549

 

[humbug]

Well there we have it guys, 4090 performance at $549

Wait.... it looks dead