That post you made earlier quoting that guy on the comments was spot on. I couldn't agree more with that.
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Nvidia, stop being a **** please
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That post you made earlier quoting that guy on the comments was spot on. I couldn't agree more with that.
Yes and users have a right to give an opinion on the price of a product regardless of alternatives.
And didn't see anyone jump in and say stop whinging at the Price of the Fury-x cards, just buy something else.
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Are they users though? What I am reading is people who don't use/have the screens are very unhappy with the price of G-Sync.
You can't pick two different manufactures to highlight how much the g-sync premium is worth. You should at least try to pick monitors from the same vendor.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/acer...descreen-led-monitor-black-red-mo-095-ac.html
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/acer...descreen-led-monitor-black-red-mo-098-ac.html
£150 more expensive for the g-sync version, though it has better adaptive sync range I don't see how it makes it worth the extra 30% cost.
The smallest premium I can find for G-sync is £120. A 30% price premium again for the same vendor.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/asus...n-led-slim-bezel-monitor-black-mo-070-as.html
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/asus...escreen-led-slim-bezel-monitor-mo-087-as.html
So my initial numbers of £150+ are wrong, I should simply say ~30%+ G-sync tax.
Whether someone is happy with the price is totally irrelevant for someone else to give there opinion on the price and neither is it a requirement that only users can have an opinion on the price.
Being happy with the product and being happy with the price are 2 totally different things.
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Iirc its benq/au optronics that supply the panel for the dell and the swift, quite likely some of the more expensive freesync screens too. As NVIDIA charge a standard licence fee for the gsync module a fair chunk of the premium must be added on by the monitor manufacturers.
Not true at all and totally irrelevant as ownership is not a pre-requisite to having an opinion . I am using a Freesync screen because the prices for G-sync monitors in the specs I wanted were far higher than the Freesync monitors. I wanted 32" 4K or 34" 3440x1440 and G-sync was far more expensive. I sold my 980Ti, bought a Fury and saved myself ~£300 in the process.
In the end I opted for this with a Freesync driver hack that extends the range to 33-60Hz.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/sams...g-widescreen-led-monitor-black-mo-217-sa.html
The only alternative for G-sync is this. G-sync range is 30-60Hz
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/acer...descreen-led-monitor-black-red-mo-099-ac.html
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Well a "user" pertains to someone who "uses that product" and seeing as you said "Users", I assumed you knew what that meant but oh well, I am not arguing over this. Enjoy what you have and don't worry about what you don't have is my motto
If you want something but it is too expensive, tough. I want a Veyron but a bit pricey for me but I won't lambaste those who can afford one and instead admire that product.
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I think more objectively instead of calling it 'G-Sync' tax which doesn't help anyone, is that currently FreeSync doesn't have the refresh rate coverage across the board that G-Sync does. AMD also clearly acknowledge this difference as they often have specified that testing should be done within the available range with the proper settings, but clearly there is still a disadvantage there.
Both of these technologies should be relatively equally as enjoyable to a point, but consumer oriented tests have been conducted where users have come away saying G-Sync offered the better experience, and naturally those are the opinions that matter the most.
FreeSync or more importantly adaptive sync merely has a lower threshold barrier for market entry - which will be for multiple reasons. Couple this with the cost of NVIDIA's bespoke ASIC and factory installation then you get yourself a higher price tag, but it's obviously still working for them at the moment.
Well a "user" pertains to someone who "uses that product" and seeing as you said "Users", I assumed you knew what that meant but oh well, I am not arguing over this. Enjoy what you have and don't worry about what you don't have is my motto
Now you have moved on to semantics of words used which is irrelevant to the point.
And dont try to enforce your motto on others.
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Good lord man, did I run your cat over or something lol? Don't make it personal and it is just my opinion of which I feel is justified as much as anyone else's. I love my screen and I know others love their Freesync screens, so no biggie and there is cheaper alternatives. Like I said, it isn't a given that everyone has the right to be able to buy what they want!
And im just giving my opinion on your opinion and i disagree with your opinion on having an artificial barrier to having an opinion on prices.
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Admission is the first step to recovery.
And likewise. I don't agree with your opinion, so let's move on yea?
Well it is obvious you dont agree with my opinion LOL.
It's not as if it's thousands of pounds, it's a few ton, your making it sound like you need to have wads of cash to run high end systems.
I'm a G-Sync user and the price premium is pathetic, I didn't have to buy it but after using FreeSync, it just had to be done.
I wasn't prepared to pay 1440p G-Sync premium, Nvidia/panel vendors can do one, besides-half of the 1440p ones get returned!
*Course it's a joke
So 1080p it was when I saw a Predator deal elsewhere(that priced it a just a wee bit more than FreeSync panels) that more or less nullified the premium.
It's not as if it's thousands of pounds, it's a few ton, your making it sound like you need to have wads of cash to run high end systems.
I'm a G-Sync user and the price premium is pathetic, I didn't have to buy it but after using FreeSync, it just had to be done.
I wasn't prepared to pay 1440p G-Sync premium, Nvidia/panel vendors can do one, besides-half of the 1440p ones get returned!
*Course it's a joke
So 1080p it was when I saw a Predator deal elsewhere(that priced it a just a wee bit more than FreeSync panels) that more or less nullified the premium.
Im just going to pop out and buy a £30 loaf of bread and if any of you moan about the price is because you cant afforded £30 and not because you disagree with the price.
I assume you are referring to the Tomshardware article that compared two completely different spec monitors? For these tests to be truly objective they need to test monitors with a similar adaptive sync range. The freesync monitor they used topped out a 90Hz compared to 144Hz on the G-sync monitor and also had higher input lag. This resulted in the Freesnyc to cut out causing noticeable stutter and also higher input lag. Instantly this invalidates the test results. Not to mention there was no control group (non adaptive-sync monitor).
I will openly admit that G-sync is overall a more refined tech but it is not worth a 30%+ premium IMHO. Ultimately it is possible to get fairly similar spec Freesync monitors for a considerable saving vs G-sync monitors. It is also possible to get on the Freesync bandwagon if you are a non-enthusiast gamer who doesn't like the idea of spending £260+ for a G-sync monitor before you even factor in the cost of a decent compatible GPU.
In fact for the price of the cheapest G-sync monitor alone (on OCUK), someone can get a decent AMD R9 380 GPU and a decent Freesync monitor for a similar price.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/sapp...ess-graphics-card-11242-02-20g-gx-364-sp.html
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/aoc-...descreen-led-monitor-black-red-mo-035-ao.html
£280 for a decent Freesync monitor and a decent R9 380 GPU.
Or the cheapest G-sync monitor for £260
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/acer...en-led-monitor-black-red-um.fb-mo-079-ac.html
Yes the G-sync monitor goes to 144Hz but considering this is aimed at the mid range gamer they are not going to be likely to afford a high end GPU that gets near that FPS at 1080p.
This is where the benefits of Freesnyc show, by enabling people to get on the adaptive sync bandwagon without paying through the nose for it. G-sync by virtue of cost alone has set itself as a niche product. I do still see it surviving in that niche for years to come but Freesync is already far more established for choice and price.
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