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It's always a really bad argument, because it seeks only to shut down discussion.How I understand his statements, in my own words: "You can complain about everything that wastes things or you shouldn't complain at all - as otherwise you look hypocritical and it's not really constructive.".
It's always a really bad argument, because it seeks only to shut down discussion.
It can be and is used as a tactic in many different discussions, where people can only justify X in terms of it "not being different to, or not worse than, Y".
It ignores the valid criticism of X and demands that that criticism end, until Y is addressed instead.
It's a tactic of deflection, I'm sure you can agree.
Just saw it. I disagree with him on this though, I don't think ETH is going to crash as much as people think.Anyways every mining GPU they make could have been a gaming GPU.
Linus just released a video on it. Agree 100%
I'm all up for crypto currency in a world where we have fusion power or everyone has huge surpluses.
But it's startrek talk, 100 years away.
Now's just a socioeconomic experiment.
Just saw it. I disagree with him on this though, I don't think ETH is going to crash as much as people think.
But maybe I call for other things to be banned in other threads, just not in the crypto mining thread?I don't agree. It's good to criticise but then calling out for banning only that one thing is... not good. Because it'll just get replaced with another, potentially even worse, thing. You tackle the problem at the root and pull it out all at once, if possible. Wasting energy is bad in general? (I don't agree with that mind you) Fine, push for politicians to make proper changes in law to tax such things heavily. Country will get more money to spend on public services and it will make such activities too expensive to bother. Otherwise it's a moot point.
But maybe I call for other things to be banned in other threads, just not in the crypto mining thread?
Clearly, crypto isn't the only thing I take issue with in the world. There are plenty of things I vehemently disagree with.
But I'm not going to stop criticising crypto because those other things also need to be addressed.
That's a bit like saying people shouldn't campaign for tighter road safety laws because aviation safety could also be improved...
Therefore I would argue most of us have room for principles.
See above. No, actually I dont consider I have much room for principles in all honesty, I do have genuine concerns about my future financial security that I am trying to address. My only regret is not doing it sooner.
It's a thread about crypto.
Why should I raise issues about other industries in a thread about crypto?
Why should people justify crypto on the grounds that "other industries also have wastefulness"?
"Your honour, I don't believe it's fair to send me to jail whilst there are other criminals out there who haven't been caught. Therefore I demand you catch and imprison all those other criminals before you imprison me."
There is a good chance that we will all have to accept a reduction in our rampant consumption of the world's resource. You, me and all Westerners.Like I said in a post earlier, a sense of perspective is needed and I and others are taking objection to the fact that you seem to think crypto is for some reason not worthy of resource use.
I could just as easily state that I think whatever your interests are , are a pointless and a waste of resources.
There is a good chance that we will all have to accept a reduction in our rampant consumption of the world's resource. You, me and all Westerners.
Frankly I don't see us having the collective will to do so, and I am extremely pessimistic about the future.
I believe we will wilfully head to our own destruction with our eyes wide open. Simply because we lack the motivation to change course.
@danlightbulb My suspicion is that none of those things will apply to most crypto miners. I would be extremely surprised if that applied to anyone here, including yourself. Although I do recall you are saving for a house/deposit from previous responses.
In a similar vein, some of the scalping groups tried to say that their members were "only reselling (scalping) to put food on the table".
It strikes me as a bogus justification that will not be true for the vast, vast majority of scalpers either. Designed to read well as PR, but not surviving much scrutiny.
I do not know your personal circumstances and I could be wrong. I wouldn't expect to be wrong in the case of the majority who are miners, here on this forum. I think the crypto income will fall into "extra hobby money" or "extra takeaway money" or the like.
This is not to say I am opposed to people earning money they don't need, solely that there is plenty of room for balancing principles with bonus income.
can think of a couple of issues, surely miners just download older drivers, unless nvidia gimp them all, or im sure miners will get round it by writing their own drivers some how, but kudos to nvidia for trying, more than AMD is doing
The examples can all be questioned of course. But the general point is who decides how much money is enough?
Just because I might not be poor, does that automatically mean I have enough and should be happy with what I have? Why aren't you holding others to that same standard (perhaps you are)? Do you hold yourself to that standard, in every part of your life (perhaps you do)?
On the subject of mining overall, as a 'thing':
What is most important to every individual first and foremost? Their own situation, their own security and that of their family. It has been this way since we crawled out of the sea. When we were cavemen it was about having the warmest and driest cave, or the best crops, or the most sheep. Now its about money.
- Does crypto have a future use case - yes
- Is mining itself wasteful - yes and no
- Yes it uses a lot of energy
- No, in the sense that energy is needed (at the moment) to secure the network and make the thing actually work.
- Should miners earn extra money - yes and no
- No, why do they deserve it when it is wasteful?
- Yes, because why do they NOT deserve it when other people have money based or earned on wastefulness
So as you have said, where do we draw the line on what is a proper use of resources and who decides which pursuits/products are worthy?