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NVIDIA to Unveil GeForce GTX TITAN P at Gamescom

bru said:
Talking about prices, with the ten series, I more annoyed at the AIB's for blatantly ignoring the fact that the founders editions are suppose to be $100 and $70 more expensive than the Custom cards.

1080, only £30 cheaper than the founders.

1070, only £20 cheaper than the founders.

My opinion it was a bad idea for NVidia to do what they did with the founders edition, introducing it at $100/$70 higher MSRP, but the way the AIB's have just taken it as an excuse to just bump up the prices.

Of course that coupled with the pound tanking, demand outstripping supply, stores gouging a bit, the prices are just getting silly.

Personally I want a 1070, but I'm having a hard time justifying the £400/450 price tag, Massively not helped by me needing a new monitor, but trying to wait for better than 60hz 4k ones.

Anyway back on topic, bring on the Titan P as it might help the lower cards prices.
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I don' think Nvidia fully thought out the consequences of making the FE a premium model at a higher price. The reasoning for the FE is sound enough in isolation. Systems builders want a good quality reference card for the lifetime of the product. AIB partners get annoyed at Nvidia/AMD undercutting the AIB costs with cheap reference cards. So a simple solution is to have Founders Edition card set at a price that the AIB partners can be very competitive with, with the added bonuses for Nvidia that they cn get even more cash. The problem if the AIB just use the FE pricing as the starting point.


I think next time Nvidia need to be more careful. Perhaps have a vanilla reference card as well as a premium FE card. Alternately they could force AIB partners to offer at least 1 basic model at the stated MSRP.
 
haha, you don't think they thought it out. They knew exactly, literally exactly what they were doing AND you can bet they aren't charging AIB's with the price you'd expect them to sell at with a RRP of $599, but more like $630 or so. NVidia are taking a piece of that extra profit. This was a calculated cold move that was meant precisely to raise overall pricing but push the blame of it onto AIBs rather than entirely themselves. Even their Q&A sessions banging on about super high quality PCB and components to make the FE edition worthwhile, complete nonsense, just a basic reference card they moved the pricing up on.


The response to their pricing was predictable enough that thousands of enthusiasts all stated straight after hearing FE pricing that AIBs would mostly hit around FE pricing and it would be an excuse to push pricing up. So again Nvidia are either incompetent and couldn't predict something almost everyone else could instantly after hearing about it, or they did it on purpose.
 
Simon Belmont said:
If 1080 pricing is anything to go by the 1080 Ti over a £1000. Hell 1080's are near £800
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Those prices are so high because of the ridiculous demand and laughable supply. These stupidly over gouged prices will settle once there is free stock available, this could take quite a few months by the looks of it.

Ti will be November at the earliest (Titan at $999 has always been released a few months earlier than the Ti) so the 1080 hype will fade by then. It'll be then time for NVIDIA to make another mint with the enthusiast cards. Those that couldn't resist the 1080 and then jump on big Pascal too will make the bank of NVIDIA very happy. I wish good luck to those 1080 owners resisting the 1080Ti if it comes in at £700.
 
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D.P. said:
I don' think Nvidia fully thought out the consequences of making the FE a premium model at a higher price. The reasoning for the FE is sound enough in isolation. Systems builders want a good quality reference card for the lifetime of the product. AIB partners get annoyed at Nvidia/AMD undercutting the AIB costs with cheap reference cards. So a simple solution is to have Founders Edition card set at a price that the AIB partners can be very competitive with, with the added bonuses for Nvidia that they cn get even more cash. The problem if the AIB just use the FE pricing as the starting point.


I think next time Nvidia need to be more careful. Perhaps have a vanilla reference card as well as a premium FE card. Alternately they could force AIB partners to offer at least 1 basic model at the stated MSRP.
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You really would believe any bs nvidia put out even though people at the press event were calling bs on their flimsy reasons for renaming a reference card and hiking the price pretty much immediately on hearing them.
 
Can't imagine why I'd want a titan considering the last time the Ti came around it was just 2 months later with near identical performance and vram will most likely be 8gb anyway. Titan is just for e-peen and money wasters for the most part.

I think the TI will be the far better card but at current Nvidia pricing that will cost as much as the old titan anyway so very disappointing game regardless.
 
Why do NV think they can get away with this FE crap... people on the internet pore over every detail of a card's construction. They know within a decent margin of error what NV paid for each cap, coil etc. Are they just doing the 1060 to save face and then quietly forget it next time?
 
People need to put things in to perspective and stop jumping to conclusions with the 1080Ti price. The 980 was $549 USD and now the 1080 is $699 for the reference version, ok a $150 difference not $350. So if the 980Ti was $649 how has everyone come to think all of a sudden the 1080Ti is going to take the $999 price of the Titan?

Remember the 780 was $649 at release and the 780Ti came in at $699 and just demolished the value of the 780. NVIDIA has done this more than once as well.

They ruthlessly put a new faster card in this high end price bracket without a huge increase in release price and then the outgoing card has a big used value drop. 980Ti was £500+ at release and the 1080 clown could be had for £540 at release too, therefore 980Ti and Titan X used prices have tanked. It's a nightmare for your resale value if you get caught in the panic when the new card comes out but it's just what NVIDIA do.
 
Don't forget the Ti will have competition...Vega whereas 1080 has NO competition. Do you think Nvidia cares about the people who spend £650+ on a 1080 and just 6/9 months later release a Ti for around the same price or maybe a touch more? of course not they just want your money and don't care you spend the same on a 1080 when 9 months later you could get a Ti. the 1080 should be a no more than £550 graphics card but with low stock price gouging they're substantially more the Ti should be what the current 1080 is at most around the mind £650 mark, I'd pay that for a big daddy pascal not the baby 1080 though
 
Tommy_Here said:
Don't forget the Ti will have competition...Vega whereas 1080 has NO competition. Do you think Nvidia cares about the people who spend £650+ on a 1080 and just 6/9 months later release a Ti for around the same price or maybe a touch more? of course not they just want your money and don't care you spend the same on a 1080 when 9 months later you could get a Ti. the 1080 should be a no more than £550 graphics card but with low stock price gouging they're substantially more the Ti should be what the current 1080 is at most around the mind £650 mark, I'd pay that for a big daddy pascal not the baby 1080 though
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Vega will be as useless as the RX 480. Sad thing is AMD need something special to compete. Fact it takes 5000 shader cores worth of Polaris to try match a stock 1080. Doesn't look great.

Good luck buying a Ti at £650. 1080's won't drop and they will just sell the Ti's at £900. Nvidia here ;) they will milk you dry in every way possible.

But yeah Ti should have been £650. 1080's should have been £450. Current pricing is well, yeah. AIB 1080 at £750... Not good.
 
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Tommy_Here said:
Don't forget the Ti will have competition...Vega whereas 1080 has NO competition. Do you think Nvidia cares about the people who spend £650+ on a 1080 and just 6/9 months later release a Ti for around the same price or maybe a touch more? of course not they just want your money and don't care you spend the same on a 1080 when 9 months later you could get a Ti. the 1080 should be a no more than £550 graphics card but with low stock price gouging they're substantially more the Ti should be what the current 1080 is at most around the mind £650 mark, I'd pay that for a big daddy pascal not the baby 1080 though
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Do you known that when you buy your 'big daddy' 1080ti that not that far down the line that nvidia will release a new faster card? Will you care when you spend ££££ on a 1080ti that it will be in fairly short order superseded?

The whole obsession with large/small dies and memory bandwidths is really silly. I'll say it again you can't play bus size or memory bandwidth. Across a wide range of real life scenarios stock vs stock and oc vs oc the 1080 comfortably pulls past the 980ti and this will on become more acute with new drivers and dx12 being used more....

You may get a few more months out of your ti before the next gpu comes out but not much....

GeForce GTX 980 September 18, 2014 GM204
GeForce GTX 980 Ti June 2, 2015 GM200
GeForce GTX Titan X March 17, 2015
GeForce GTX 1080 May 2016

So 9 months from 980 to 980ti then just under 12 for 980ti to 1080
 
tyler_jrb said:
Good luck buying a Ti at £650. 1080's won't drop and they will just sell the Ti's at £900. Nvidia here ;) they will milk you dry in every way possible.

But yeah Ti should have been £650. 1080's should have been £450. Current pricing is well, yeah. AIB 1080 at £750... Not good.
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This launch has been a joke from start to finish, heck since may 13th when we established the whole FE card. I'm happy for everyone with their 1080 but these prices are becoming a joke and if people are buying then the price will stay so yea I go back on my word for the Ti being £650 lets look at history.

GTX 480 big daddy Fermi £420
GTX 470 £300
GTX 580 fully enabled Fermi £420 ish
GTX 570 £290 mark
both the 480 and 580 are high end chips then rolled the GTX 680
GTX 680 £440 (Don't forget the 7970 was already out so had competition)
GTX 670 £330
then it got interesting with the GTX Titan which was still based on Kepler was the big daddy chip but demanded £1000! this is where it got silly.
GTX 780 £550 first time a x80 (based on a single gpu) hasn't been the faster card of it's generation so you're getting a cut down big daddy gpu for more than a fully enabled GTX 580
then 780 Ti launched to counter the 290x at £575 and the 780 dropped to around £400 the same price as 580 launched at. This was the first big chip to launch on 28nm (780, 780 Ti and Titan) so maybe that could've made the prices a little higher then they should then the 980 launched at £400 beating the 780 Ti and the 970 launched at £275 falling just a hair behind the 780 Ti and at this point they had NO competition
980 £440 fully enabled mid range chip
970 £275-£300
then Titan X came out for £1000 again offering top performance but at a stupid cost
then 980 Ti launched at £550 slightly cheaper than the 780 Ti and around the same as the 780 HOWEVER we got more gpu with the 980 Ti than we did with the 780, meaning the Ti was a lot closer to the Titan x than the 780 was to the original titan.
then 16nm 1080 came along with NO competition UNLIKE the 680 and launches at £600+ which isn't even a big daddy chip so it's more expensive than any 80 Ti before it which is madness! and then the 1070 launches at the same price as a x80 based card!
if Nvidia face competition they can drop the price of the 1080 just like the 780 down around £110 bring it down to around £500-£540 and then they'll want the Ti to better Vega so will then offer that for slightly more than what the 1080 is selling for now ( Just like 780 and 780 Ti, when 290 and 290x launches 780 dropped around £100 and the 780 Ti came in a little more expensive than what the 780 originally launched at. so with that said if they get competition from AMD I can see the 1080 Ti coming in at £650-£700 and then £1080 dropping to sub £500. wow what a essay haha -_-
 
https://web.archive.org/web/20150321145046/http://www.overclockers.co.uk/productlist.php?catid=1914&groupid=701&subid=1576
Tommy_Here said:
This launch has been a joke from start to finish, heck since may 13th when we established the whole FE card. I'm happy for everyone with their 1080 but these prices are becoming a joke and if people are buying then the price will stay so yea I go back on my word for the Ti being £650 lets look at history.

GTX 480 big daddy Fermi £420
GTX 470 £300
GTX 580 fully enabled Fermi £420 ish
GTX 570 £290 mark
both the 480 and 580 are high end chips then rolled the GTX 680
GTX 680 £440 (Don't forget the 7970 was already out so had competition)
GTX 670 £330
then it got interesting with the GTX Titan which was still based on Kepler was the big daddy chip but demanded £1000! this is where it got silly.
GTX 780 £550 first time a x80 (based on a single gpu) hasn't been the faster card of it's generation so you're getting a cut down big daddy gpu for more than a fully enabled GTX 580
then 780 Ti launched to counter the 290x at £575 and the 780 dropped to around £400 the same price as 580 launched at. This was the first big chip to launch on 28nm (780, 780 Ti and Titan) so maybe that could've made the prices a little higher then they should then the 980 launched at £400 beating the 780 Ti and the 970 launched at £275 falling just a hair behind the 780 Ti and at this point they had NO competition
980 £440 fully enabled mid range chip
970 £275-£300
then Titan X came out for £1000 again offering top performance but at a stupid cost
then 980 Ti launched at £550 slightly cheaper than the 780 Ti and around the same as the 780 HOWEVER we got more gpu with the 980 Ti than we did with the 780, meaning the Ti was a lot closer to the Titan x than the 780 was to the original titan.
then 16nm 1080 came along with NO competition UNLIKE the 680 and launches at £600+ which isn't even a big daddy chip so it's more expensive than any 80 Ti before it which is madness! and then the 1070 launches at the same price as a x80 based card!
if Nvidia face competition they can drop the price of the 1080 just like the 780 down around £110 bring it down to around £500-£540 and then they'll want the Ti to better Vega so will then offer that for slightly more than what the 1080 is selling for now ( Just like 780 and 780 Ti, when 290 and 290x launches 780 dropped around £100 and the 780 Ti came in a little more expensive than what the 780 originally launched at. so with that said if they get competition from AMD I can see the 1080 Ti coming in at £650-£700 and then £1080 dropping to sub £500. wow what a essay haha -_-
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Long post but lacking factual accuracy titan x was £900 at launch from ocuk

https://web.archive.org/web/2015032...uctlist.php?catid=1914&groupid=701&subid=1576

Original titan was sub £1000 on launch and was being sold for £900 a couple of weeks after launch on ocuk

https://web.archive.org/web/2013030...uctlist.php?groupid=701&catid=1914&subid=1576
 
RanxZy said:
People need to put things in to perspective and stop jumping to conclusions with the 1080Ti price. The 980 was $549 USD and now the 1080 is $699 for the reference version, ok a $150 difference not $350. So if the 980Ti was $649 how has everyone come to think all of a sudden the 1080Ti is going to take the $999 price of the Titan?
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So 980 to 1080 is a 30% increase so 980ti to 1080ti will be $845. Then factor in vat, shipping and magic uk additional amount and the fact that exchange rate will be $1.20 to the pound and you get to a £1000.

Hell already there are 1080gtx approaching £800. Can't see a 1080ti been cheaper
 
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Caracus2k said:
https://web.archive.org/web/20150321145046/http://www.overclockers.co.uk/productlist.php?catid=1914&groupid=701&subid=1576

Long post but lacking factual accuracy titan x was £900 at launch from ocuk

https://web.archive.org/web/2015032...uctlist.php?catid=1914&groupid=701&subid=1576

Original titan was sub £1000 on launch and was being sold for £900 a couple of weeks after launch on ocuk

https://web.archive.org/web/2013030...uctlist.php?groupid=701&catid=1914&subid=1576
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I've always seen the Titan as a £1000 product because I've seen certain models go for that, still a ludicrous amount of money!
 
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