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NVIDIA to Unveil GeForce GTX TITAN P at Gamescom

Combat Fighter said:
Indeed.

I think most 1070/1080 owners are deluded.

They just can't accept that they have been ripped off from the beginning and about to lose a big chunk of money soon once the Ti/Titan hits.
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Will Titan P and 1080ti owners be similarly deluded about being 'ripped off' due to their cards being worth less that half their initial price as soon as the 1180gtx arrives?

Come on stop trolling by insulting 1080 and 1070 owners and try and make a sensible argument re the below post.

The 1080 is only anywhere near 'mid range' if you qualify the statement by saying 'in the anticipated eventually available 'Pascal' lineup of gpu's including as yet unreleased but expected products'. So basically its a nonsense as it's entirely based on arbitrarily comparing just Pascal gpu's current and expected. For the now 1080/1070's are very much high end now by what is available to buy now...

Caracus2k said:
The 1080 is the fastest single GPU consumer card across a wide range of tests no ifs no buts.

If you want to call it 'mid range' now I expect you assume it should have a 'mid range' price to match lets say roughly 300 pounds. Now the Titan and Ti 'top end' variants would sell for around 600-800 pounds? makes sense so far?

..... No its totally ridiculous if NVIDIA pursued a market strategy like this it would cost them $$$$'s.

Why? Well it makes sense to come to market with a smaller die for a new process as yields are likely to be better on a smaller process and you can churn out more volume whilst refining the manufacturing process for a bigger die to follow in more limited quantities down the road. The smaller die product generally slightly outperforms the 'big' die product from the previous gen in this pattern historically. As the small die product is made in greater quantities and comes first it makes sense to try and recoup a lot of the cost of the R+D on it as GPU's are very expensive to develop and have a very limited shelf life for sales you can then afford to reduce the 'R+D' component in the price for the bigger GPU product down the line to make the most of your investment into the process.

Most of the end consumer cost of a GPU like the 1080 is to recoup R+D costs not to recoup manufacturing costs much like CPU's!

Now if NVIDIA charged 300 pounds for their 'mid range' cards as you call them and 600- 800 pounds for their 'high end' cards what would actually happen to the GPU market and consumer buying habits?

People smart with money would very quickly stop buying the 'high end' cards and just skip to the first release 'mid range' cards saving a bundle every generation whilst drastically reducing the demand for the 'high end' products as a result. Now obviously this would drastically effect NVIDIA's turnover (negatively) making the whole idea a non starter.

Judge GPU's by their PERFORMANCE not their die size or memory bandwidth because guess what after the Titan (whatever) and 1080Ti there will probably be a faster 1180GTX with a 'mid range' GPU to boot but which will probably outperform the Titan (whatever) and 1080Ti !!
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Combat Fighter said:
They just can't accept that they have been ripped off from the beginning and about to lose a big chunk of money soon once the Ti/Titan hits.
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1080 is the most vulnerable to lose value when the 1080Ti comes out as it's currently occupying the "high end" price bracket. The next Titan will not affect the 1080 price at all imo as it's been in the halo price bracket of $999 for two generations. They are very reluctant to consider that the 1080 will be shunted down in value when the 1080Ti comes out because they've just shelled out £500+ on a 1080. It's happened over and over again but they refuse to come to terms with it.
 
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RanxZy said:
1080 is the most vulnerable to lose value when the 1080Ti comes out as it's currently occupying the "high end" price bracket. The next Titan will not affect the 1080 price at all imo as it's been in the halo price bracket of $999 for two generations. They are very reluctant to consider that the 1080 will be shunted down in value when the 1080Ti comes out because they've just shelled out £500+ on a 1080. It's happened over and over again but they refuse to come to terms with it.
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this was news to me, I had no idea that stuff loses value once you buy it and use it ... my expectation was that I will buy any product, use it for 2 years and then sell it for full value. I want me money back!
 
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Combat Fighter said:
Indeed.

I think most 1070/1080 owners are deluded.

They just can't accept that they have been ripped off from the beginning and about to lose a big chunk of money soon once the Ti/Titan hits.
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RanxZy said:
1080 is the most vulnerable to lose value when the 1080Ti comes out as it's currently occupying the "high end" price bracket. The next Titan will not affect the 1080 price at all imo as it's in the halo price bracket of $999. They are very reluctant to consider that the 1080 will be shunted down in value when the 1080Ti comes out because they've just shelled out £500+ on a 1080. It's happened over and over again but they refuse to come to terms with it.
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I buy gpu's full well knowing that come selling time in a year to 15 months (when I typically upgrade) that they will be worth 35-50% of the initial price.

I'm just confused at the implied suggestion that only buyers of the xx80 (non ti) and xx70 products are the ones who are deluded or who can't come to terms with this
 
RanxZy said:
1080 is the most vulnerable to lose value when the 1080Ti comes out as it's currently occupying the "high end" price bracket. The next Titan will not affect the 1080 price at all imo as it's in the halo price bracket of $999. They are very reluctant to consider that the 1080 will be shunted down in value when the 1080Ti comes out because they've just shelled out £500+ on a 1080. It's happened over and over again but they refuse to come to terms with it.
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That's always the case. THere's always a premium to be paid for something top end which then disapppears when it's replaced with a new top end. However, 1080 owners are enjoying their cards now, not waiting x months for the 1080 Ti which will also have it's own price premium over the 1080. The higher end you get the less performance jump you make per £ usually.

On the topic of someone else's post about being ripped off, it's no rip off. A graphic card is not a necessity. Being charged £20 for a £10 tax ride or double the cost of a meal on a menu would be a rip off (once you've eat) :D

People need to get over the cost/ loss of money etc and just enjoy what they have or want to buy. I cant believe that some will wait and wait and sit and worry just because they will lose more money on x card. If you want it, blimmin' buy it :)
 
DarrenM343 said:
That's always the case. THere's always a premium to be paid for something top end which then disapppears when it's replaced with a new top end. However, 1080 owners are enjoying their cards now, not waiting x months for the 1080 Ti which will also have it's own price premium over the 1080. The higher end you get the less performance jump you make per £ usually.

On the topic of someone else's post about being ripped off, it's no rip off. A graphic card is not a necessity. Being charged £20 for a £10 tax ride or double the cost of a meal on a menu would be a rip off (once you've eat) :D

People need to get over the cost/ loss of money etc and just enjoy what they have or want to buy. I cant believe that some will wait and wait and sit and worry just because they will lose more money on x card. If you want it, blimmin' buy it :)
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^^

this, one can keep playing the waiting game for ever and not actually have anything to enjoy or one can buy latest and greatest tech and enjoy it!
 
Caracus2k said:
I'm just confused at the implied suggestion that only buyers of the xx80 (non ti) and xx70 products are the ones who are deluded or who can't come to terms with this
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It might come across that way, but don't mean to imply that all 1080 owners are blinded to the idea that their high end card will be knocked of the high end perch within 18 months and therefore people will demand to pay less for a 1080 when the 1080Ti takes the high end crown. It's just part and parcel of owning the current top end card. I'm sure many realise this as NVIDIA have made this happen several times in recent years. It's also clear to everyone that the Titan takes the halo pricing of $1000.

I'm also sure the factual release prices make it very obvious to unbiased people that the launch price increase between a 780 > 780Ti, and 980 > 980Ti has never been astronomical, which makes their suggestion of a 1080Ti at $1000+ very unfounded and suits their agenda.

It's just a few on this thread that are adamant the 1080Ti will surely be £1000 or more with zero facts.
 
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Being an ex Titan X owner which I sold to buy a 1080 (as a stop gap while waiting for the new Titan). I cannot see any new cards on the horizon anytime soon. I mean, the 1080 launch has been a fail because even now they aren't easily available and I cannot see anyone being able to take the pick of any 1080 they want for at least another month.
All this will push the next cards even further back without a doubt. I am going to sell my 1080 for the new Titan and I don't think I will have to worry about them being available until at least the end of 2016. Just my opinion.

I am just glad I have some time to enjoy the best card in the world until the next one comes along :)
 
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tommybhoy said:
LOLS

Of course it isn't a necessity, however I can spend my own cash how I see fit and still have an opinion of believing whether my wallett was mugged off or not.:p
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Just don't go putting fuel in your car anytime soon - it's 70%+ tax you know :D. Not only is your wallet mugged but HMRC is putting a big one up you :p
 
I don't see how people are being ripped off. you buy a 1080 at a set price and you get a 1080, its not as if you told it costs £200 but when you actually get it there is a bill for another £400, or that you pay your £600 and then when you open it the box up it is only a 750ti.

You know the price your paying and you receive the product you pay for, a NVidia 1080 GPU. :)
 
Combat Fighter said:
Indeed.

I think most 1070/1080 owners are deluded.

They just can't accept that they have been ripped off from the beginning and about to lose a big chunk of money soon once the Ti/Titan hits.
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I sold my Titan X (I had it for over a year) for £750. I used the money to buy a faster GTX 1080 and with the extra cash left over I got plenty of beers in for my gaming nights.
If that is deluded I will take that over being sane anyday :D
 
Mauller said:
From what i have seen, it still needs LN2 to get past 2.1ghz stable
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Telecaster said:
Even with proper voltage control? I thought none of the cards allowed it?
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Modded strix oc bios is out there now with up to 1.24v

People are getting 2.3 to 2.4 stable now on water and 2.2 on air with 1.15v

In order to get max overclock you need to keep the GPu below 50c or it starts throttling slowly

Will flash mine with the new bios after the weekend and report back. Waterblock won't be here for a week though :(
 
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The 1080 is going to lose some money when the ti comes out, but anyone who thinks the ti is going to be available for much under 799 is going to be upset. I would've thought you'd be able to pick up a 1080FE on MM once the Ti arrives for about 450 but not much less (particularly if the currency continues to tank).

I got my Inno3d 2x for 549 and expect to sell it for 450 when the Ti comes out. So £100 for 9 months or so of gaming. That's less than most people pay Vodafone against their iPhone loans so works for me :)
 
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