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Nvidia v ATI

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nutter said:
Gaming consoles are for people who can't afford PC Gaming(90% of them), so knock anything related to PC Gaming.

Your own fault for not doing research before buying, and your mate is THICK.

I had a PS3 all of.....3 weeks......it's utterly boring & graphics are bloody daft.

I was holding off for my Gaming PC because of high prices, so bought a PS3, it was that crap, i sold it and ordered PC 1 week later.

Console games have a life span of a couple of weeks at most, PC Games you can play for years, add to fact online play & graphics and no stupid mental kids online. PC Gaming is the winner.

Do us all a favour, and stick to a console.:rolleyes:
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You're no better yourself, you're obviously just a PC fanboy.

I agree PCs ARE better, but come on, don't generalise so much.

Consoles are generally good for first party titles only, multi format titles I don't touch if it's on the PC.

There are plenty of good console games that you're missing out on if you constantly tell yourself that consoles are worthless. :rolleyes:
 
philtorrens said:
Sorry you have a 5850? For that you get a gold Blue Peter badge. I only asked for some thoughts/opinions on the forum but it seems I should I have said nothing. You seem to have some issues giving advice and choose to patronise people which makes me think your only a kid anyway. Good night.
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Go away. This forum is for people that care about PCs and want quality, useful advice. You came into this forum and basically stated that everyone here was wrong to spend money on their PCs because the PS3 is a better gaming machine; people here disagree. The only consolation is that you wasted your money on an underpowered graphics card rather than taking the advice of knowledgeable people here. And to that I say - HA!
 
The old console PC debate eh, well here it is in simple terms.

Console - Allows people to play the latest games with minimum fuss and for a relatively low cost. Buy a console, shove a game in, away you go.

PC - Allows more tech savy people to build to their own requirement, whether that be moderate or hardcore gaming, you get what you pay for. You have the additional 'hassle' of building it, installing everything and a greater chance of running into problems etc.

Both have their pros and cons. I certainly wouldn't recommend a gaming PC over a console for say a 10 year old who wants to just play the latest games. I believe PC gamers are connoisseurs of gaming. With a PC, you can have the very up to date hardware, graphics, technology albeit at a considerable cost.

Indeed, if you want a budget gaming PC, you may well be better off buying a PS3. If you look at the 9500GT, its 2 steps up from an integrated graphic solution or on board GPU. Its merely going to allow the very simplest of gaming at the lower end of the resolution spectrum. Do some research before you buy, don't take just one person's advice.
 
The whole Console V PC argument is boring anyway. Try playing MMORPG's without a keyboard and mouse :P.

Might as well argue about Rolls Royce V Mini. Both get you from A to B after all, so who would waste money on the Rolls! :P Or you could say a Veyron its only a little bit faster, and you cant even get proper luggage in it! OMG just get a mini!!!

While we're at it... why did anyone ever buy DVD!, VHS was good enough wasnt it....
 
philtorrens said:
So having used ATI for a number of years I have suddenly bought a bad card from what the forum says - 9500GT / 1GB. One of the best games/simms I have ever played was FS2004 but you know what really ****** me off? ... This attitude that ATI xxxx makes a better card. Why? The PS3 can deliver more for less, so where are you coming from? So im running a 9500GT @ 650MHz - probably a fraction of most of the card's on here, but *if* your are a gamer, then you will use the PS3 ! Purchase the best card and you know what? - 6 months time there will be a better card! Too much attitude on this forum tbf.
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Do you know anything :confused:

Look at GTA IV graphics comparison of PC/Xbox 360/PS3:
http://uk.gamespot.com/features/6202552/p-4.html

and look at Crysis:
http://snagwiremedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/crysis-pc-screenshot-big.jpg
 
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toon_mad said:
Do you know anything :confused:

Look at GTA IV graphics comparison of PC/Xbox 360/PS3:
http://uk.gamespot.com/features/6202552/p-4.html

and look at Crysis:
http://snagwiremedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/crysis-pc-screenshot-big.jpg
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Those GTA IV shots look incredibly suspect, the main difference is the brightness, why are the console shots consistently so dark? Looks deliberate to me?

Without the brightness difference, the superiority of the PC version is very apparent anyway.
 
i sold my ps3 1 month ago for one simple reason....BORING!The only game i bought it for was mgs4(awesome btw) even buying gta4 coud not tempt me back for to playing it...i didnt play my ps3 for over 1 year once i completed mgs4....ps3 is good for the money that you spend for it but...but NO WAY IS IT BETTER THAN A HIGH END PC...my pc would crap all over an xbox 360 and ps3 put together...the ps3 will be the last console i will ever buy and i have a few including a PC Engine and Neo Geo(hardcore)...consoles are getting worse as time goes...the control method is pathetic compared to mouse and keyboard,the best controller released for its time was the N64 joypad,which offered pinpoint accuracy(Goldeneye)..but still rubbish compared to a keyboard and mouse,playstation analogue sticks are pathetic and always have been...like i said there good for the money but no way do they even come close to a high end pc,you can also do so much more with a pc that you cannot do with a lousy console..consoles are for kids(the majority of the community plug in and play)PC's are for the more mature player/user..at the end of the day you get what you pay for
 
it was the only shot i could get :D

my cousin plays gta iv on ps3 and its crap, there is a list somewhere showing the settings, consoles have the textures set to medium, shadows to very low, draw distance at 25 or something.
 
I've out grown the gaming consoles, I still remembered spending endless hours playing on the sony playstation.
 
you would think its about time the console market came out with its own brands of keyboard and mouse for its consoles not everyone wants to use a pad all the time and for some games its just rubbish, to be honest i had a 360 but sold it coz it sucked so much trying to play fps on it with the pad. tho the pad was good for fifa. I think the consol companys are missing a trick here as i would have one hooked up to my monitor as well as my pc if they let me use my own usb mouse and keyboard or sold decent ones themselves.
 
philtorrens said:
The 9500GT is an 'awful card' - why? If your GPU's are so fast, then why aren't you playing them? Sorry but I cannot justify £100+ on a GPU when one can buy a PS3 !
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9500GT won't run my games at playable frame rates with the details i want.

Consoles are more expensive for games and get control system esp for FPS sucks even if you do use a mouse and a ps3 GPU is allready out of date time the console was launched.

You might think the 9500GT is a good card, It is not.:p

p.s ps3 is £250+
5850 is £250
5850>ps3
 
Wow what a completely pointless thread and to the op what are you thinking coming on an enthusiast site and attacking people that want the best they can get and are happy to pay for it :confused:. As for your argument that gfx cards are out of date after six months lol just lol as long as they play what you want at the settings you want they are not out of date and i fully expect my 5870 to be good for a good couple of years.

9500GT is fine if your playing older games on an older monitor but if you ever want to play the latest games at decent settings at a decent resolution then it isn't a good card and thats the advice you were given. This is a forum different people always have different opinions to everyone else thats how it is if you don't like that then don't come onto forums but if you do then at least act a little mature and accept that you have your view others have their view and all of them are as relevent.

No one on here would ever attack someone for having a low cost build and a lot of people on here routinely help people get the best for low budgets so your wrong there as well. Take a chill pill read what people say if you disagree thats perfectly fine but respond in a mature pleasant manner unless your out and out attacked or insulted in which case report it as the mods here are good at sorting things out.
 
jorzeh said:
9500GT won't run my games at playable frame rates with the details i want.

Consoles are more expensive for games and get control system esp for FPS sucks even if you do use a mouse and a ps3 GPU is allready out of date time the console was launched.

You might think the 9500GT is a good card, It is not.:p

p.s ps3 is £250+
5850 is £250
5850>ps3
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What does a 5850 do by itself?

You can't compare a console to a graphics card by itself.

Ultimately, budget gaming PCs of around £4-500 work out cheaper than consoles as soon as you start getting games.

Console games are getting disgustingly expensive.
 
The annoying thing for me with console gaming is the cost of the games, compared to the equivelant game on the PC they are VERY expensive.

If you look at the cost of a DECENT gaming PC & games, and then the cost of a console & games both formats probably work out similar in the long run.

Stu
 
Fireblade2K4 said:
The annoying thing for me with console gaming is the cost of the games, compared to the equivelant game on the PC they are VERY expensive.

If you look at the cost of a DECENT gaming PC & games, and then the cost of a console & games both formats probably work out similar in the long run.

Stu
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For the majority of "gamers" console gaming is the only choice, so a lot of the time it's either buy it, or go without.

They put the prices up because people will pay them really, add to that the license fee on console games.

They're trying to up the price on PC games though as well, a lot of games now release at £30 or more, whereas a few years ago, the average price would be £20-25.

Saying that though, if you shop around for games at places like play, then there's a good chance of getting a game at less than the high street price anyway, for both console and PC.
 
I'm gonna get slated here but I fully agree with the ps3 vs high end gaming pc point being made here.

As far as I can see, my pc (in sig below) is equal to my ps3. I've yet to be amazed by any graphics on my rig. To me, they are the same as the ps3 graphics. I have tried a few games, ok I've never run Crysis, but I still can't see much difference. Bioshock looked awesome on my ps3 so when I had the chance to try it on pc I was excited. When I got round to it I was extremely dissapointed to find that I could not see any difference in graphical quality!

I made the point ages ago on another thread that I truly believe even the ps2 pumped out better graphics than some PC games. I was shocked when I saw how poor the character detail was on Mass Effect ( actually not the human character but certainly on some of the alien races) and will continue to say God of War 1+2 on the ps2 were both better. Final Fantasy 12 on ps2 was better.

I have a 5870 ffs and if I want to play something like Batman in the same way my mate can on his ps3 I need to buy another card potentially adding another £100 just to the costs of the GPU's in my rig. STUPID

Like I say I expect to get attacked but this is my opinion. I am not trying to insult anyone. I am new to PC gaming and have myself enjoyed putting together a nice spec.

I do, however, stick by what I am saying. My rig below could cost £1200+ to people with a good knowledge of PC's and with the ability to build their own systems. To those that don't, a pricey future with someone like Smell or litlle green martian-ware awaits. I have seen the latter advertising something similiar yet still slightly inferior to my rig for about £2600- madness.

Even with a level of competance - High end gaming PC ( or my rig for comparison) :

£1200+
No major differece in graphical detail (debatable, but I certainly don't see much)
Constant problems with drivers or file errors or some sort of rubbish
Above problem resorts in people spending as much time trying to get the game to work as actually enjoying it.

Ok you can use keyboards and mice. I actually prefer gamepads but I understand I am in the minority here

OR

PS3: £250 or whatever they are now

Games more expensive
From what I can tell the DLC situation for consoles is ridiculous. Don't they have to pay for some things PC gamers get for free??

But... games WORK. 1st time out of the box. With no driver issues. Or file errors. Or any of the other rubbish that infuriates me regulaly. They just work.Simple.

You don't have to constantly update any hardware. Newer games constantly improve on both visuals and gameplay and NONE of this requires hundreds of extra £'s to enjoy the benefits.

Just realised I have written a small novel. Sorry :) But before you slate me read the whole thing, then maybe again and understand that I am not slating enthusiasts, nor PC gamers in general. I feel that my points are valid and would welcome an adult discussion should someone disagree as oppose to childish name calling etc

Sorry again :)
 
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