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NVIDIA Volta with GDDR6 in early 2018?

This is disappointing
A 815mm2 chip and only 15TFLOPS.
42% more CUDAS than P100 and 42% more performance. This doesn't seem like an upgrade at all. Just a bigger Pascal on 12nm
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
I am surprised because,if you look at the last few generations just by pure performance(which is what people are more worried about),you had the smaller die GTX680 supercede the GTX580 in 17 months,you had the GTX780TI being superceded by the faster GTX980 in roughly 11 months,and the GTX980TI was superceded in performance around 12 months too by the GTX1080.

The GTX2080 will be faster than a GTX1080TI if previous history holds true,so if that is the case,going by the March 2017 release of the GTX1080TI it would be superceded by the GTX2080 in performance within six to nine months after launch,which means it will be dethroned much quicker.

Edit!!

Maybe you are right,and the GTX1080TI will be superseded relatively quickly in performance this year - it would be a very aggressive move by Nvidia.
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That is a relatively short history that includes the oddity that the 20nm process was basically a dud which delayed things.

I'm also not 100% confident the 2080 will be particularly faster than the 1080ti. Should be but the 12nm node is really yet another marketing term for the 16nmFF which is mroe or less just thw20nm planar node.




Anyway, to reverse the logic. Has there ever been an instance where Nvidia had the ability to launch a new PGu series but sat back and did nothing because they were still performance leaders? I don't think that has ever been the case. Sure they may not push to the absolute tightest deadline and instead wait 1-2 months max to build inventory but that is about it. Nvidia don't give a damn if someone just purchased a 1080ti, if the 2080 is faster then there is a good chance nvidia will net an additional sale form upgrades. While that can be annoying for some people most wont care or even notice, others will delight in the new technology, and the rest will slowly come to terms with the fact that technology must move on.

There is absolutely no benefit to nvidia in sitting on a stock pile of Volta cards. there is no downside to releasing new cards in quick succession, as long as the supply chain is properly managed
 
Mtom said:
This is disappointing
A 815mm2 chip and only 15TFLOPS.
42% more CUDAS than P100 and 42% more performance. This doesn't seem like an upgrade at all. Just a bigger Pascal on 12nm
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You are not looking at the relevant numbers and not understanding how compute performance relates to actual gaming.

GV100 has not been designed to increase FP32 to the max extent possible, although it does achieve a 50% increase over Gp100. The 120TFLOPs for mxied precision matrix multiplication is the real news. FOr deep elarning that is going to be around 8X faster than Vega.

Theoretical FP32 performance is just the number of FP32 CUDA cores times the clock speed x2. The number of cores has increased, clock speed the same because of the size of the cip. a consumer Volta might get clocked to 2.0GHz. and offer nearly twice the Fp32 performance as Pascal Gp102.

Moreover, theoretical compute perfomrnace ignore actual gaming performance where there could be large performance gains. That is the whole reason poeple are excited about vega for example.
 
Mtom said:
LOL so the V100 is basically doesn't better than P100 just bigger and this killed all your buzz? I'm disappointed in Volta.
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Already? Think you/we need to wait to see what the performance of the GPU derivatives is. There's something in there about extracting more performance out of the architecture too, 92% instead of 70 or so. After all,, AMD GPU's sometimes have higher TFLOPS but the performance of the GPU for gaming is lower (than NV) , so TFLOPS and gaming performance don't seem to necessarily go hand in hand. I'm no expert on this stuff so please correct me someone if wrong.
 
Isn't Volta a year away? Seems early to be getting hyped.

GPU space moving slowly these days imo. Hopefully VEGA brings something to the table this year, then next year we got Volta.

I literally have no reason or need to upgrade, to either VEGA or Volta. But.. I'm sure I will xD
 
opethdisciple said:
Completely missed this.... so.... What are we talking about? Forget about Vega the future is Green?
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It's their new Tesla that's replacing the Tesla P100. It's going to cost a small fortune, as until early 2018 NVIDIA are only selling it in their mini-systems, and DGX-1 racks that feature 4-8 of the V100 Teslas.

The PCIe Version of Tesla V100 isn't due until end of 2017/early 2018. So don't expect a gaming Volta too soon.
 
Boomstick777 said:
Isn't Volta a year away? Seems early to be getting hyped.

GPU space moving slowly these days imo. Hopefully VEGA brings something to the table this year, then next year we got Volta.

I literally have no reason or need to upgrade, to either VEGA or Volta. But.. I'm sure I will xD
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12FF and 10nm are ramping up fast now I doubt we will be waiting a year for the 1000 series replacement.
 
HAHA! What PCper thinks the new Tesla V100 will cost.

https://www.pcper.com/news/Graphics-Cards/NVIDIA-Announces-Tesla-V100-Volta-GPU-GTC-2017
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james.miller said:
Where's all the 4k 60 games on the pro? I did ask that once already but nobody answered. Last time I checked Dgitial Foundry did a detailed review and came out with a list of 10 actual native 4k60 games, the rest of them ddynamically scaling of course, annd none of those ten where what any of us would class as taxing graphically.

But hey maybe DF are as out of the loop as me :D
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You said they cant do 4k ps pro does 4k with checkerboard rendering. Scorpio is much more powerful so i dont see why not. Forza managed to do it with zero opmisation at native 4k and 60fps while being at around 60 percent gpu ultilisation. So i dont see why games cant do 4k on the scorpio.
 
Mtom said:
This is disappointing
A 815mm2 chip and only 15TFLOPS.
42% more CUDAS than P100 and 42% more performance. This doesn't seem like an upgrade at all. Just a bigger Pascal on 12nm
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That is exactly what i am thinking, this r modest gains at best why ppl r pumped up so much ?
 
r7slayer said:
You said they cant do 4k ps pro does 4k with checkerboard rendering. Scorpio is much more powerful so i dont see why not. Forza managed to do it with zero opmisation at native 4k and 60fps while being at around 60 percent gpu ultilisation. So i dont see why games cant do 4k on the scorpio.
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I'm sorry what? Where did I say 'they cant do 4k'? I wouldn't even use that language as it boneheadedly conflates being able to output video at 4k with being able to play games at 4k.

To be absolutely clear, the PS4 pro can do both. HOWEVER there's a massive difference between a console having a handful of games which render at 4k natively and one that outputs 4k but renders internally at a lower resolution for the vast majority of it's catalogue and to be absolutely clear again the PS4 pro is FIRMLY in the later category.

And you still haven't named any games. Don't bother now, I think I've made my point well enough. The pro can shout about 4k all it likes but it hasn't got the grunt for native 4k to be the default target. Will the Scorpio? I guess we'll find out soon .......
 
james.miller said:
I'm sorry what? Where did I say 'they cant do 4k'? I wouldn't even use that language as it boneheadedly conflates being able to output video at 4k with being able to play games at 4k.

To be absolutely clear, the PS4 pro can do both. HOWEVER there's a massive difference between a console having a handful of games which render at 4k natively and one that outputs 4k but renders internally at a lower resolution for the vast majority of it's catalogue and to be absolutely clear again the PS4 pro is FIRMLY in the later category.

And you still haven't named any games. Don't bother now, I think I've made my point well enough. The pro can shout about 4k all it likes but it hasn't got the grunt for native 4k to be the default target. Will the Scorpio? I guess we'll find out soon ......




lol. scorpio. a £400 quid console with half the gpu throughput of one 1080i ti is going to have enough grunt to default to 4k60? 4k30 even? at anything like comparable levels of detail to the pc? educate yourself.



and how many native 4k games are available?

I dont understand your viewpoint on this. You know the raw power required to push 4k properly yet at the same time your trying to convince me that not only will the scorpio be enough but the ps4 pro is too?? :confused:

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You pretty much said they cant do 4k30 and cant do native 4k games. Well we know forza will be one so im sure there will be more. And before you jump on and say i only meant at compatable levels of pc it is comparable because even now games targeted at high settings for ps4 and xbox one. Watched enough digital foundry videos to know as well as others. And they even said Scorpio will
target 4k60 at high settings to compare it to the pc version.

When yoy look at ported console games they look hardly any different from console to pc. Resolution bump tends to make them look better and AA
 
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