NVIDIA Volta with GDDR6 in early 2018?

[N19h7m4r3]

Pretty cancerous.

Understatement of the week.

Bloody hell, I thought YouTube and Reddit were bad.

 

[Simon Belmont]

Watch NVIDIA’s GTC 2017 Keynote Here For Volta, Supercomputing & More – 9 AM PT May 10th
http://wccftech.com/watch-nvidias-gtc-2017-keynote-volta-supercomputing-9-pt-may-10th/

It might be fake, but would be funny if true? AMD would be like WTF lol

 

[NeoWave]

I'm sure it is true in the sense that they'll 'mention' Volta at least as purely from a market share perspective the possibly of denting future sales of Vega is a no brainer imho.

 

[Seanspeed]

So if we look back at 2015, which is a roughly comparable year to this one in that they released the x80Ti, while the year before they had released the x70/x80 Maxwell cards, Nvidia's GTC keynote gave *some* detail about Pascal, but a lot of it was misleading, with an emphasis on 3d memory and NVLink, giving little if any details on what the more consumer-focused Pascal cards would be like. I kinda expect something similar here. I think there will undoubtedly be talk about Volta, but I am not sure we'll get much useful information, and there'll be lots more talk about deep learning and whatnot.

Basically, dont get your hopes up for too much, though I'm interested to see if they provide a new roadmap and announce what will come after Volta.

 

[r7slayer]

lol. scorpio. a £400 quid console with half the gpu throughput of one 1080i ti is going to have enough grunt to default to 4k60? 4k30 even? at anything like comparable levels of detail to the pc? educate yourself.



and how many native 4k games are available?

I dont understand your viewpoint on this. You know the raw power required to push 4k properly yet at the same time your trying to convince me that not only will the scorpio be enough but the ps4 pro is too??

Erm yea... Digital foundry did a video where they talked with Turn 10 who crate Forza Motorsport and they just turn up the game from 1080p to 4k with a couple other effects and still had lots of GPU grunt left. And thats native 4k60FPS. That's without any optimisation to the engine or anything so yea its possible. Educate your self!

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late to the party. Leaving my comment though as it still stands

 

[VincentHanna]

Don't worry, the sheer ignorance annoyed me too

 

[CaptainRAVE]

Nvidia seem way ahead of AMD at this point. Not great for the consumer.

 

[james.miller]

Erm yea... Digital foundry did a video where they talked with Turn 10 who crate Forza Motorsport and they just turn up the game from 1080p to 4k with a couple other effects and still had lots of GPU grunt left. And thats native 4k60FPS. That's without any optimisation to the engine or anything so yea its possible. Educate your self!

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late to the party. Leaving my comment though as it still stands

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/d...pio-is-console-hardware-pushed-to-a-new-level

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/d...-motorsport-on-project-scorpio-the-full-story

You can run forza 6 4k maxed with an rx 480 so it proves nothing of what it can or cannot do. Really needs to be a far more demanding game to be of any credibility.

Don't worry, the sheer ignorance annoyed me too

sheer ignorance indeed. Tyler already said it, which is why i didn't bother replying to you VincentHanna. Clearly can't have a sensible discussion so i won't bother trying.

 

[VincentHanna]

And I replied saying "With not a single dropped frame? Even the 1070 dropped frames when Digital Foundry tested it on PC"

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

If a Volta based gaming card came out this year(as opposed to some one for commercial purposes) the GTX1080TI would be an incredibly short lived 80TI card.

The only reason they would bring out one this year is if Vega is actually any good.

 

[james.miller]

And I replied saying "With not a single dropped frame? Even the 1070 dropped frames when Digital Foundry tested it on PC"

oh i thought EuroGamers video had details on the scorpio but it's the xb one, so i'll remove that. All i will say is wait and see. There's a long way to go before we can say the scorpio really is a 4k60 console (or 4k30) and nothing something that can also play games at those resolutions. The hardware doesnt add up, even when taking in to consideration the (relative) lack of complexity and 'closer to the metal' programming the consoles provide. All the performance numbers fall far short of anything like what's required to do the same on a PC so we'll see.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

The XBox Scorpio does not use an RX480 - its apparently based on a similar design but with the shaders from Vega,and it uses a 384 bit memory controller,meaning the GPU has far more bandwidth than a RX480. I would expect at 4K it will generally outperform an RX480 which is VRAM bandwidth limited at times.

Edit!!

Also remember that its a closed hardware system too,meaning devs will probably be able to push the hardware more than on PC. This is why I expect it might be able to push beyond its basic specs,and the other thing - the games are being run on a TV where people are generally set further away,so they can get away with dropping some aspects of image quality too.

 

[james.miller]

It also remains to be seen whether turn 10 disabled the dynamic scaling that's in use on the xb one or not as we know it's not enabled on the PC when you use medium settings or above.

 

[JediFragger]

The XBox Scorpio does not use an RX480 - its apparently based on a similar design but with the shaders from Vega,and it uses a 384 bit memory controller,meaning the GPU has far more bandwidth than a RX480. I would expect at 4K it will generally outperform an RX480 which is VRAM bandwidth limited at times.

Edit!!

Also remember that its a closed hardware system too,meaning devs will probably be able to push the hardware more than on PC. This is why I expect it might be able to push beyond its basic specs,and the other thing - the games are being run on a TV where people are generally set further away,so they can get away with dropping some aspects of image quality too.

Aren't the quoted Teraflops a little low if it is Vega-based? Means Vega is just a touch better than Polaris!???

 

[AllBodies]

Aren't the quoted Teraflops a little low if it is Vega-based? Means Vega is just a touch better than Polaris!???

I don't think so, for the power constraint.

Remember Teraflops is just cores x 2 x clockspeed. So it doesn't take into account power draw or real-world performance achievable through optimisations and other hardware tricks etc.

If the Scorpio GPU only consumes ~75W or something, then ~6 Tflops at ~75W would be a massive improvement on Polaris.

 

[DarrenM343]

If a Volta based gaming card came out this year(as opposed to some one for commercial purposes) the GTX1080TI would be an incredibly short lived 80TI card.

The only reason they would bring out one this year is if Vega is actually any good.

I think Volta will come regardless of what AMD do. Nvidia are pushing themselves forward. Remember, Nvidia is more than about graphics GPU's for gaming these days, their other customer need them to make steps forward regardless of AMD
I reckon that's why the Ti is a decent price, more so than what people were expecting. Last chance to clean up (££££) the leftover Pascal chips and it's faster than the original TXP too, which doesn't always happen. I reckon first cards late this year or at least by March 2018 (latest).

If Vega appears with similar performance to say a 1080 for £100 less, or even close to Ti performance, but consumers know Volta is coming soon too, the Vega market suddenly evaporates

 

[Rroff]

The only reason they would bring out one this year is if Vega is actually any good.

Changes at TSMC in regard to 10nm and the 12FF offerings will also have an effect on Volta and other nVidia GPU core offerings which could just as easily result in bringing things forward as pushing them back (or having no effect).

 

[Simon Belmont]

Nvidia are pushing themselves forward.
I reckon that's why the Ti is a decent price, more so than what people were expecting. Last chance to clean up the leftover Pascal chips and it's faster than the original TXP too, which doesn't always happen.

Spot on mate^^^

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I think Volta will come regardless of what AMD do. Nvidia are pushing themselves forward.
I reckon that's why the Ti is a decent price, more so than what people were expecting. Last chance to clean up the leftover Pascal chips and it's faster than the original TXP too, which doesn't always happen. I reckon first cards late this year or at least by March 2018 (latest)

Thats the thing I don't Nvidia would just replace a GTX1080TI that quickly if there was no competition - people need to look at the past to see how any of these companies do things.

The shortest lived 80TI of the last few years was the GTX980TI which was dethroned a year later by the GTX1080. You are basically saying the GTX1080TI could be replaced in under 9 months,even with no competition?? History does not agree with you regarding this.

The only time I have seen Nvidia rush out stuff and replace parts that quickly in the last 12 years is when they feel the competition is getting close,otherwise you could argue people might as well skip a GTX1080TI now and wait another few months for Volta to be released.

The problem is that hardware enthusiasts get too lead by rumours from tech sites - we have had so many here believe even that Ivy Bridge would replace Sandy Bridge within a year,Haswell would replace IB in a year,Skylake would replace Haswell in a year.

In reality it never did happen.

 

[Simon Belmont]

Thats the thing I don't Nvidia would just replace a GTX1080TI that quickly if there was no competition - people need to look at the past to see how any of these companies do things. The shortest lived 80TI was the GTX980TI which was dethroned a year later by the GTX1080. You are basically saying the GTX1080TI could be replaced in under 9 months,even with no competition?? History does not agree with you regarding this

The only time I have seen Nvidia rush out stuff and replace parts that quickly in the last 12 years is when they feel the competition is getting close,otherwise you could argue people might as well skip a GTX1080TI now and wait another few months for Volta to be released.

There's a first for everything.