NVIDIA Volta with GDDR6 in early 2018?

[Rroff]

Thats the thing I don't Nvidia would just replace a GTX1080TI that quickly if there was no competition - people need to look at the past to see how any of these companies do things. The shortest lived 80TI was the GTX980TI which was dethroned a year later by the GTX1080. You are basically saying the GTX1080TI could be replaced in under 9 months,even with no competition?? History does not agree with you regarding this

The only time I have seen Nvidia rush out stuff and replace parts that quickly in the last 12 years is when they feel the competition is getting close,otherwise you could argue people might as well skip a GTX1080TI now and wait another few months for Volta to be released.

nVidia have never stopped short at screwing over the customer - look at the Titans, etc. to think they wouldn't make the 80ti extremely short lived just because it suited them and not because of any competition is a little naive.

 

[Seanspeed]

Thats the thing I don't Nvidia would just replace a GTX1080TI that quickly if there was no competition - people need to look at the past to see how any of these companies do things.

The shortest lived 80TI of the last few years was the GTX980TI which was dethroned a year later by the GTX1080. You are basically saying the GTX1080TI could be replaced in under 9 months,even with no competition?? History does not agree with you regarding this.

The only time I have seen Nvidia rush out stuff and replace parts that quickly in the last 12 years is when they feel the competition is getting close,otherwise you could argue people might as well skip a GTX1080TI now and wait another few months for Volta to be released.

The problem is that hardware enthusiasts get too lead by rumours from tech sites - we have had so many here believe even that Ivy Bridge would replace Sandy Bridge within a year,Haswell would replace IB in a year,Skylake would replace Haswell in a year.

In reality it never did happen.

Skylake replaced Broadwell in like 3 months.

If Nvidia could release consumer Volta GPU's this year, I have no doubt they'd do it. It would be a crushing blow to their competition and what company would purposefully not take advantage of that?

I dont think Nvidia is gonna 'rush out' anything, though. They'll release em when they're ready, which by Nvidia's own timeline, would be 2018. Expecting them any sooner is silly and largely just 5oz's of wishful thinking with a peppering of fact.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

There's a first for everything.

nVidia have never stopped short at screwing over the customer - look at the Titans, etc. to think they wouldn't make the 80ti extremely short lived just because it suited them and not because of any competition is a little naive.

You do realise it would probably be easier and cheaper for them to just stick with what they have,as production costs should start to drop over time anyway?? Moving onto a new node with GDDR6 is going to be costly especially at the start,so again if there is no competition why bother?? Remember,even with the GTX1070/GTX1080 AMD did have the Fury X which was not quite a GTX980TI but still close enough,so it made a lot of sense once the node was viable to make sure they released them.

AMD has nothing to compete with them currently,so the only way I believe Nvidia will push a GTX1080TI beating Volta part on new node and with GDDR6 this year is if Vega actually is competitive,ie,gets close enough.

It happens with loads of other electronics and engineering areas too - companies will only take the risk if they can drop costs and if there is more competition.

People act like Nvidia has not been dominant over ATI/AMD,etc before - do some of you forget how the G92 was literally rejigged for so long?? Why?? It still had competitive performance and power consumption to what ATI had out at the time. They didn't NEED a new expensive chip,and made a ton of money doing it.

My viewpoint is if Volta is released this year it will be for a commercial card,and if we do see a consumer card,it will be something akin to the GM107 - remember Maxwell was a major uarch change and it debuted on a £100 card,8 months before we saw the big guns. The only way that Nvidia feels the need to push out a very high performance GAMING card is they feel the GTX1080TI/Pascal Titan XP has lost its sheen against the competition.

OFC,we can agree to disagree,but you need to be wary that if people think that a high performance Volta gaming card is out in a few months time,they might just hold off getting a GTX1080TI too.

 

[DarrenM343]

Thats the thing I don't Nvidia would just replace a GTX1080TI that quickly if there was no competition - people need to look at the past to see how any of these companies do things.

The shortest lived 80TI of the last few years was the GTX980TI which was dethroned a year later by the GTX1080. You are basically saying the GTX1080TI could be replaced in under 9 months,even with no competition?? History does not agree with you regarding this.

The only time I have seen Nvidia rush out stuff and replace parts that quickly in the last 12 years is when they feel the competition is getting close,otherwise you could argue people might as well skip a GTX1080TI now and wait another few months for Volta to be released.


In reality it never did happen.

First time for everything and as I said, NV much more than just gaming GPU's now, almost like a different company, but they'll release them (gaming GPU's) anyway as part of what they're doing on the larger scale. NV also up against Intel too in some markets.
You're right about skipping the Ti, hence why I reckon it's a decent price as they want to sell as many as they can now. If a Volta 1180 arrives before Xmas I think many will still jump to the new card and NV know that too.
The Ti wasn't driven by AMD either -still not released anything

 

[Rroff]

You do realise it would probably be easier and cheaper for them to just stick with what they have,as production costs should start to drop over time anyway?? Moving onto a new node with GDDR6 is going to be costly especially at the start,so again if there is no competition why bother?? Remember,even with the GTX1070/GTX1080 AMD did have the Fury X which was not quite a GTX980TI but still close enough,so it made a lot of sense once the node was viable to make sure they released them.

nVidia has generally always been moving forward tech wise with or without external reasons - sometimes more successfully than others the financial implications can be more than just restricted to what makes sense in the GeForce market. For instance if they are doing a large run of cards for professional use then consumers can be one potential outlet for cores that don't make the grade.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

nVidia has generally always been moving forward tech wise with or without external reasons - sometimes more successfully than others the financial implications can be more than just restricted to what makes sense in the GeForce market. For instance if they are doing a large run of cards for professional use then consumers can be one potential outlet for cores that don't make the grade.

Except they seem more than happy to make GPUs for non-gaming uses only,unless they are going back to the mixed use GPUs they did with Kepler,etc so you might have a point there.

If that is the case,you might see it released for gaming earlier.

Skylake replaced Broadwell in like 3 months.

If Nvidia could release consumer Volta GPU's this year, I have no doubt they'd do it. It would be a crushing blow to their competition and what company would purposefully not take advantage of that?

I dont think Nvidia is gonna 'rush out' anything, though. They'll release em when they're ready, which by Nvidia's own timeline, would be 2018. Expecting them any sooner is silly and largely just 5oz's of wishful thinking with a peppering of fact.

Broadwell was barely released for desktop - it was also actually released for laptops a year before Skylake,as it was also a test for 14NM in some ways.

The thing is looking at the Vega rumours it looks like a rejigged Fury X so I still think Nvidia will have the edge anyway!!

First time for everything and as I said, NV much more than just gaming GPU's, but they'll release them (gaming GPU's) anyway as part of what they're doing on the larger scale. NV also up against Intel too in some markets.
You're right about skipping the Ti, hence why I reckon it's a decent price as they want to sell as many as they can now. If a Volta 1180 arrives before Xmas I think many will still jump to the new card and NV know that too.
The Ti wasn't driven by AMD either -still not released anything

The problem is all these rumours and the ones in the AMD threads do the same - most of the sites just add random things to them,people get hyped and then the reality is different. What if Volta was released as a commercial card only,or is something like the GM107?? Unless we see a die shot,it could be anything and half these sites make up stuff.

The problem is that I am a tad worried some of you will hype that a high performance Volta part will be out in 2017,and if it isn't then people will start moaning at Nvidia. You have it in the AMD threads,with people hyping things and then getting annoyed when the reality was not quite there.

If we start seeing die shots,etc then yeah maybe it will be out this year.

 

[Rroff]

Except they seem more than happy to make GPUs for non-gaming uses only,unless they are going back to the mixed use GPUs they did with Kepler,etc so you might have a point there.

If that is the case,you might see it released for gaming earlier.

My point is more - you might be right but don't underestimate how little regard nVidia has for the consumer if it suits them.

 

[Seanspeed]

My point is more - you might be right but don't underestimate how little regard nVidia has for the consumer if it suits them.

Is it really 'disregard' for the consumer to keep pushing out better products as fast as they can?

Are we now in the age where we think progress is only good so long as we've had a nice long nesting time between series releases and the competition is given ample time to keep up?

If Nvidia is ahead, maybe people should point their fingers at AMD for not keeping up rather than saying Nvidia are 'anti consumer' for not relenting on progress.

I think it's quite silly to look at it in a 'pro' or 'anti' consumer perspective at all. It's simply benign progress.

 

[Rroff]

Well it goes both ways - look at the trickling out of x80 cores that in previous generations would have barely made it to mid-range classification :s

 

[Curlyriff]

It also remains to be seen whether turn 10 disabled the dynamic scaling that's in use on the xb one or not as we know it's not enabled on the PC when you use medium settings or above.

What is missing in the talk of games for consoles generally is that we are talking about having more specific graphic settings. This is because they don't have to have multiple settings to adjust depending on specification of the system used.

It will render at a set level and there wont be any stupid "uber" setting that adds zero graphical improvement but take 20fps away because people who buy PC hardware like to go "hey we can max this game out" regardless of when it looks better. It has been shown a number of times recently this with things such as DoW III which actually looks almost identical between medium and high settings and the AA makes it worse. That is madness.

All this can be specifically tuned to the console spec and that can have huge boost. Between that and the general advantage of consoles in terms of eeking out performance at lower levels it seems to me that they are at least heading in the right direction if the price at release is right.

I will likely pick one up for a little game when up in bedroom rather than always on the PC in living room.

 

[Seanspeed]

Well it goes both ways - look at the trickling out of x80 cores that in previous generations would have barely made it to mid-range classification :s

Well trickling out something is quite the opposite of pushing something out ASAP.

I'm not disagreeing that Nvidia isn't terribly concerned about the well being of their consumers wallets, just that pushing out a product if it's ready isn't 'anti-consumer' just because there hasn't been a long period of time since the last release.

Especially if you've been paying attention, you should know that the lifetime of your high end GPU is going to be short lived at the top. Is there really much difference between 9 and 12 months in that regard?

Personally, I welcome progress. And lots of people are not out buying current high end GPU's because they are *waiting* for progress to happen. Should we sacrifice these folks just to help make buyers of existing high end GPU's feel a bit better about their purchase?

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

My point is more - you might be right but don't underestimate how little regard nVidia has for the consumer if it suits them.

But the point if the fastest Vega part was say only GTX1070 level,then Nvidia will most likely just keep their current line going as long as possible,drop production costs,etc(like they did with the G92),and refine Volta even more and concentrate on getting it out for commercial markets where they make even more money.

I can see them only really pushing out a GTX1080TI beater,if they believe AMD can get close enough - remember what happened with the GTX980TI?? I think Nvidia expected something better than what we got so wanted to pre-empt them(and even making the Titan X look meh by comparison).

I mean I do concede if Nvidia is moving back to mixed used GPUs,ie,like with Fermi and Kepler,they might possibly release it earlier since they need to sell the lower grade GPUs in consumer cards,but if it isn't,ie,its a gaming focused GPU they can keep selling their current cards in droves,and I would certainly expect 16nm costs and GDDR5X costs to start dropping over time. But then as some said here they might try some new tactic,which I suppose could happen.

This is why it is rather annoying that Vega is taking so long to come out - people are going on how we have not had a massive improvement in the £200 to £300 market for a few years(even if you include exchange rates),that's because there is no pressure from above at all,and Nvidia is more than happy to match AMD pricing since they still using smaller chips and need less VRAM modules for similar performance.

 

[nashathedog]

rget how the G92 was literally rejigged for so long?? Why?? It still had competitive performance and power consumption to what ATI had out at the time. They didn't NEED a new expensive chip,and made a ton of money doing it.

My viewpoint is if Volta is released this year it will be for a commercial card,and if we do see a consumer card,it will be something akin to the GM107 - remember Maxwell was a major uarch change and it debuted on a £100 card,8 months before we saw the big guns. The only way that Nvidia feels the need to push out a very high performance GAMING card is they feel the GTX1080TI/Pascal Titan XP has lost its sheen against the competition.

OFC,we can agree to disagree,but you need to be wary that if people think that a high performance Volta gaming card is out in a few months time,they might just hold off getting a GTX1080TI too.

I think it may be the same as what they did with Maxwel's 750 & 750ti as well, They might do a a 1150 & 1150ti card and maybe even an 1160 to make sure there's no doubt about who offers the most performance in the 1060/580 bracket.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I think it may be the same as what they did with Maxwel's 750 & 750ti as well, They might do a a 1150 & 1150ti card and maybe even an 1160 to make sure there's no doubt about who offers the most performance in the 1060/580 bracket.

It would also be a pipe cleaner on a new process and they could use a very narrow memory bus if they had GDDR6. Like I said before,if Nvidia does unify their compute/gaming GPUs into one line we could possibly see a larger Volta this year for gamers though,since I am just going on the assumption they are still using separate lines for different areas.

 

[Seanspeed]

Is the keynote being livestreamed?

Is it at 5 or 6? I've lived here a few years but still dont understand the difference between GMT and BST.

 

[N19h7m4r3]

Is the keynote being livestreamed?

Is it at 5 or 6? I've lived here a few years but still dont understand the difference between GMT and BST.

Here's the link.

http://www.ustream.tv/gpu-technology-conference

it's at 5, so in 10 minutes

 

[Rroff]

Only had a couple of pauses myself early on - playing smooth now and mostly ~720p quality though seems to be varying a bit at times looks more 480p.

 

[N19h7m4r3]

NVIDIA bringing us the Holodeck!

 

[Rroff]

He was sweating there trying to keep the demonstration on track lol.

 

[Seanspeed]

Only had a couple of pauses myself early on - playing smooth now and mostly ~720p quality though seems to be varying a bit at times looks more 480p.

Switching to 480p helped a lot.

But that's freaking sad in 2017.

Anyways, like I predicted on the previous page, this talk would be dominated by 'deep learning' talk.

I have a feeling gaming performance is going to become a backseat priority in GPU's as time goes on.