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Nvidia’s GameWorks program usurps power from developers, end-users, and AMD
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Caporegime
Didn't know the 7870 was a card people chose for 2560x1600 4x MSAA gaming 
Was with Amd a long time... But I like my 3d, and there's just something about an nvidia setup... Not entirely sure I see nvidia at fault here though.
Don't particularly like them as a company though.
Having said that, I may pick up a 780 classified. To join my msi 780 lightning
Don't particularly like them as a company though.
Having said that, I may pick up a 780 classified. To join my msi 780 lightning
Caporegime
Didn't know the 7870 was a card people chose for 2560x1600 4x MSAA gaming
I play BF4 All Ultra, no MSAA, Low post AA @ 1080P + 125% Res- scaling, i could play it + 150% if it wasn't for a lack of Vram, thats 1600P
The 7870 would be quite capable of playing BatMan with 8x MSAA @ 1080P
I play BF4 All Ultra, no MSAA, Low post AA @ 1080P + 125% Res- scaling, i could play it + 150% if it wasn't for a lack of Vram, thats 1600P
The 7870 would be quite capable of playing BatMan with 8x MSAA @ 1080P
Really? With a 780 at 1254 and a 670 dedicated to physx, at 2560x1440, even 4xAA can knock it down to close to 40fps on parts. So tend to leave it off, or lower.
So no, I don't think a 7870 would just handle 8xAA just fine.
Caporegime
A stock Titan can manage 53 without a dedicated PhysX GPU @ 1600P and 8x MSAA. so i don't see why a highly clocked 780 with a dedicated PhysX GPU can't do it at only 1440P and 4x MSAA.
http://www.techspot.com/review/733-batman-arkham-origins-benchmarks/page4.html
Soldato
Maybe on a benchmark but actually in game there's no way a Titan can sustainably get 53 FPS with 8x MSAA at 1600p.
I can tell you that for certain from having tried 2560x1440 with 4x MSAA with a massively overclocked 780 (1230/1750 ish).
This is the problem when you talk about things authoritatively without tried it / or understanding it.
Caporegime
1600P on a 7870 in BF4 does how well?
I am not sure what your point is but to me, Batman is still more playable than BF4 is, even at 4xMSAA and like others have said, I am not sure why anyone would want to max games out on a 1600P with a 7870, especially modern AAA titles.
I see this Extremetech as a load of stink over nothing, as the frames look very playable to me on a 1080P monitor and a low powered card. If you want more fps, buy a better card?
Caporegime
You mean buy an Nvidia card?
I can't dumb it down any more, you pay WB money for a product, they have no right to block performance optimizations.
I pay the same money as any other user for the product, with that i have the right to expect the same product and level or service.
Don't you agree?
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And where in that benchmark is all this poor performance showing on Amd cards?
Caporegime
The performance is poor for the level of card that i have, the performance is not upto standard.
Caporegime
Errrr, no! If I was running a 8800GT, I would have to dumb down settings, If I was running a 290X, I would miss out on PhysX... These are things I know and understand. I don't see what you are missing out on, except a few fps, which unless you have a very old card, it seems to me that you can run this game at full on most modern GPU's.
What do you think you are missing out on?
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After your edit - "Buy an Nvidia card" - Only if you want things like PhysX and 3D, otherwise stick with what suits you best. I am not getting into a petty argument over a few fps in Batman
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Caporegime
The performance is below par for my GPU because my hardware vendor are denied access to optimize for the game.
I'm a paying customer not receiving the same entitlement level of support others are due to Warner Brothers discriminating against my hardware vendor.
do you think that is acceptable or not?
Soldato
Indeed. Which makes humbug's point that a 7870 should be able to play 1600p with 8xMSAA incorrect.
I don't think anybody expects lower mid range cards from the last generation to play maximum settings at super high resolution really, do they?
Caporegime
Let me put it this way.
The performance for BF4 on Nvidia GPU's is below par, reason. DICE refusing Nvidia access to optimize the game, this under AMD's instructions.
I suppose you lot would think that perfectly reasonable, would you?
The performance for BF4 on Nvidia GPU's is below par, reason. DICE refusing Nvidia access to optimize the game, this under AMD's instructions.
I suppose you lot would think that perfectly reasonable, would you?
Caporegime
You game at 1080P and you should get over 60fps average but you feel you should get more performance if you games at 1600P and wanted full details? Sorry if I am being thick but I can't game at 1600P on full details with my GPU, so why do you think you should be able to?
Take Sleeping dogs for example...AMD has a massive lead in that game but that is the way it is and I don't see anyone kicking off. I accept it and get on with it, as it is a GE title and I expect better optimizations for GE titles from the off.
So your question of acceptable or not... Yes it is acceptable. If Nvidia was gimping performance to make it unplayable, then no but that isn't what is happening here.
Soldato
Depends if my card was getting:
a) playable FPS
b) FPS in line with my cards place in the hierarchy
As I tend to have cards towards the top end I can't remember the last time I had low FPS. I'm selfish like that. I couldn't give two hoots about the ethics of it.
If it bothers you that much either don't buy the game or get a nVidia GPU. That's your choice
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Caporegime
I never said i wanted to play it a 1600P, your making that up as you go along, i said 1080P and 8x MSAA, with the correct optimization it can do that.
You keep missing the point, i don't know if keep doing that on purpose or if you have real problems grasping the most basic stuff.
Nvidia just can't handle the GPU compute in Sleeping dogs, same with Tomb Raider, Nvidia were given access to those games so they could optimise for them, the result is the performance is much better than it was.
AMD are being denied that. If this is under Nvidia's instructions then Nvidia Gimping performance is exactly whats going on here.
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