Obesity...

[Bassmansam]

I've been trying to but can't curb my (near) obesity.

I find shopping too difficult and need to buy foods that can be stored for a long time (like 2-3 months in between food orders).

There aren't many healthy options for keeping healthy food long term, and I have a whole freezer drawer full of frozen peppers, onions, peas and sweetcorn.

I also tend to dip into takeaways too much to not run out of what food I have left.

Also since I was like 3 years old my parents let me set my own limits and eat 3 full size chocolate bars a day ... 'Ive only had two chocolates today, where is my third?', and they happily gave me the second and third, and likely would have continued letting me eat more say if I set my own limit to 10.

Throughout my school years my daily breakfast was Cadbury mini rolls and a glass of milk, followed by more chocolate at school, and more cake / chocolate / biscuits after school that my parent's endlessly supplied. Then of course I grow up addicted to all this, then in my late teens / early adulthood was literally begging my parents to stop buying cakes / chocolates / crisps / biscuits. There response was simply 'If you dont want it don't eat it' while keeping 10+ tubs of Cadburys roses and more stocked in the garage.

And now even if I still try to eat a salad, I still need my regular junk on top. I've tried stopping and want to stop but absolutely can't because I'm that addicted.

I can actually feel irritation / discomfort in my heart (and actually in my head too) daily and need to manually grab and compress it like in that Simpsons 'bacon up that sausage' clip but still can't stop, and am already diagnosed a few years back with moderate heart blockage and its probably a lot worse than that now.

I'll likely be dead within the next decade.

crikey thats a bad diet. Can’t have done your liver any good thats for sure!

 

[Guest2]

If you think restaurant curries are healthy I don't know what to tell you.

Your realize they still add sugar / butter, and not to mention the carbs from the bread?

People think subways is healthy when it has vastly more carbs than mc donalds due to the bread - UK mc donalds is actually already 'healthier' than most ready food you even buy at the supermarket - search YouTube for 'US vs UK McDonalds' and 'Mcdonalds weight loss'.

More than 5 years ago I actually tried mc donalds everyday and lost weight. But there isn't one where I now live.

Added sugary yes by defautl but you can ask for low/no sugar and no gluten to be added.
Thai curry is not unhealthy at all. Most of the time we cook thai currys, which is things like fresh veg, with ginger, garlic and a touch of thai curry paste (for 2 large mains) that with brown rice is healthy

I've never had bread with a thai curry. Normal curry you can get garlic bread and stuff but thats indian currys

Mostly it will be general lifestyle and upbringing.
What are you having for lunch today?
I'm in the process of cooking some pasta, will cool it down and have it with celery, cucumber, vine tomatoes and some cheese cubed. touch of olive oil and salt and pepper. Takes 10 mins to cook, max.
Going for a long walk later for recovery as did a run, bike & swim yesterday (5km/10km/1.6km)

 

[Pho]

I've been trying to but can't curb my (near) obesity.

I find shopping too difficult and need to buy foods that can be stored for a long time (like 2-3 months in between food orders).

Have you thought about meal replacement stuff like Huel / MyProtein Whole Fuel? The MyProtein one is about a third of the price with discounts which they regularly have (I believe the recipe was copied from an older Huel one). It keeps for months. You don't have to eat it every meal. It's not a weightwatchers "diet" shake kind of fad.

The benefit is all you have to do is weigh out 50g or whatever. Mix with milk/water and you're done. You know exactly how many calories you're getting and it contains all the good nutrients you need. It tastes pretty good, just like a milkshake, and is pretty filling.

I eat takeaway about as little as once a year and always cook from scratch but cooking something nice at night is a pain when you're shattered. I'm not into gym / fitness stuff at all; I can't think of anything more boring (for me, personally) so I'd like to think I'm on a fairly similar page to you .

 

[fez]

Cant walk / stand for much more than 15 mins and need a stick to be mobile.

Cannot carry any items at all. My current bodyweight is mostly also a byproduct of joint disease.

Online grocery ordering has a £40 minimum spend and takeaway is just as easy and faster.

You can't carry anything? Not a tin of beans or a 500g bag of pasta.

£40 also isn't a lot of food. If I was feeding myself I would easy be able to put together a £40 shop.

Of course its easier to have someone delivery ready cooked food to your door but do you see why its hard to sympathise with some of these reasons. Its easier not to exercise, its easier not to wash yourself regularly, its easier not to cook or clean. We do these things because ultimately they make us healthier and happier in the long term.

@fez sausages and pasta with sauce isn’t particularly healthy though?

Its not unhealthy though. What part of that is unhealthy? Sausages aren't unhealthy unless you are eating a lot of them and regularly. Pasta is fine and so is tomato sauce. Stick some vegetables in there and it will be better as well. We are not talking 100% healthy meals here, we are comparing getting a KFC 3x a week vs cooking something yourself.

Thats what seems to be lost on a lot of people. Its not got to be uber healthy and balanced to be completely fine. People who have a bad diet are not eating home cooked food with less veg than they should, they are eating takeaway 5 days a week and then fish fingers and chips from a bag on the other 2.

 

[BallistixOnZ490]

Added sugary yes by defautl but you can ask for low/no sugar and no gluten to be added.
Thai curry is not unhealthy at all. Most of the time we cook thai currys, which is things like fresh veg, with ginger, garlic and a touch of thai curry paste (for 2 large mains) that with brown rice is healthy

I've never had bread with a thai curry. Normal curry you can get garlic bread and stuff but thats indian currys

When ordering on just eat they ignore any such comments I leave in the box usually 'please make it proper spicy'. Had a 'vindaloo' takeaway recently that was as mild as a bottle of tomato sauce just with some extra flavour and definitely a decent amount of sugar.

All those 'Indian / Thai / Chinese etc' restaurants don't make 'Indian / Thai / Chinese / etc' food. They make food adapted for white Brit's palletes with loads of extra junk added to them.

 

[BallistixOnZ490]

Have you thought about meal replacement stuff like Huel / MyProtein Whole Fuel? The MyProtein one is about a third of the price with discounts which they regularly have (I believe the recipe was copied from an older Huel one). It keeps for months. You don't have to eat it every meal. It's not a weightwatchers "diet" shake kind of fad.

The benefit is all you have to do is weigh out 50g or whatever. Mix with milk/water and you're done. You know exactly how many calories you're getting and it contains all the good nutrients you need. It tastes pretty good, just like a milkshake, and is pretty filling.

I eat takeaway about as little as once a year and always cook from scratch but cooking something nice at night is a pain when you're shattered. I'm not into gym / fitness stuff at all; I can't think of anything more boring (for me, personally) so I'd like to think I'm on a fairly similar page to you .

Yes I already researched and wanted to buy huel.

Except it costs more than even Dominos everyday.

My perma buggered knee 'shattered' figuratively just from trying to put an ottoman seat together yesterday and now Im confined to my bed with bits of physiotherapy to hope I don't fall on roads again when going for my vaccination on Friday.

 

[dowie]

Have you thought about meal replacement stuff like Huel / MyProtein Whole Fuel? The MyProtein one is about a third of the price with discounts which they regularly have (I believe the recipe was copied from an older Huel one). It keeps for months. You don't have to eat it every meal. It's not a weightwatchers "diet" shake kind of fad.

I've been experimenting with these, probs is I have Crohn's and the high fiber stuff can be really irritating if I've got active inflammation. For me it's not so much for weight loss as just making things easy for some meals and cutting down on meat.

I don't think I'll ever go full vegetarian or vegan, too much risk of nutritional issues IMO (esp with Crohn's) but I do think it's a good idea to cut down on meat, too much sugar etc.. and I think the sweet spot is to have some meat-free, veggie-only days in the week, and skew the non-veggie days to fish and lean meats like chicken etc...

Can significantly cut risk fo cancers, heart disease for later in life by improving diet - reducing red meat, smoked meats etc.. to a minimum.

Annoyingly for me (as I love the stuff) it seems smoked salmon might have a similar risk to smoked/processed meats - if anyone does have further details on that I'd be interested?

Also if anyone knows of a Huel equivalent with lower fiber then pls let me know?

 

[200sols]

Except it costs more than even Dominos everyday.

You will be forever fat and unhealthy with that sort of attitude.

 

[BallistixOnZ490]

You will be forever fat and unhealthy with that sort of attitude.

Its not just that, when I try eating anything healthy / alternative, I still need to eat something I normally would on top.

Say I buy and try Huel. And I still end up needing to cook a quiche on top. All I've done is add all the calories from the Huel on top of my current fat.

The hardest part of losing weight is changing habits. I start off with telling myself 'I WILL NEVER BUY CHOCOLATE AGAIN WHEN LIVING ALONE', and then theres 96 creme eggs on my dining table, boxes of bassets sweets from amazon, and now all the ingredients to bake my own basic cake and biscuits when I do manage to not buy ready made ones.

 

[fez]

Except it costs more than even Dominos everyday.

How on earth are you getting Dominoes for less than £5/day that feeds you for all meals...

 

[tom_e]

Yes I already researched and wanted to buy huel.

Except it costs more than even Dominos everyday.

The MyProtein alternative works out at 64p per 423kcal serving, so 5 a day giving 2115kcal which is going to be enough for most people if they're generally sedentary is £3.28 a day.

That might get you a little single serving pizza from Dominos if you pick it up and ask very nicely.

Even if you have that for 4 "meals" then do a quick stir fry for dinner so you get that proper eating feeling you could still do all that using frozen ingredients for £6-7 a day.

 

[Liefrich]

Its not just that, when I try eating anything healthy / alternative, I still need to eat something I normally would on top.

Say I buy and try Huel. And I still end up needing to cook a quiche on top. All I've done is add all the calories from the Huel on top of my current fat.

The hardest part of losing weight is changing habits. I start off with telling myself 'I WILL NEVER BUY CHOCOLATE AGAIN WHEN LIVING ALONE', and then theres 96 creme eggs on my dining table, boxes of bassets sweets from amazon, and now all the ingredients to bake my own basic cake and biscuits when I do manage to not buy ready made ones.

It sounds like your upbringing has not helped and you are probably in a deep rut. There are also limits to willpower. However, you do seem to make an awful lot of excuses and this is your health! Life is often hard, you just have to grit your teeth and give it your best shot.

 

[Bassmansam]

You can't carry anything? Not a tin of beans or a 500g bag of pasta.

£40 also isn't a lot of food. If I was feeding myself I would easy be able to put together a £40 shop.

Of course its easier to have someone delivery ready cooked food to your door but do you see why its hard to sympathise with some of these reasons. Its easier not to exercise, its easier not to wash yourself regularly, its easier not to cook or clean. We do these things because ultimately they make us healthier and happier in the long term.



Its not unhealthy though. What part of that is unhealthy? Sausages aren't unhealthy unless you are eating a lot of them and regularly. Pasta is fine and so is tomato sauce. Stick some vegetables in there and it will be better as well. We are not talking 100% healthy meals here, we are comparing getting a KFC 3x a week vs cooking something yourself.

Thats what seems to be lost on a lot of people. Its not got to be uber healthy and balanced to be completely fine. People who have a bad diet are not eating home cooked food with less veg than they should, they are eating takeaway 5 days a week and then fish fingers and chips from a bag on the other 2.

oh yea i mean its better than takeaways for sure. Sorry i thought you meant it be an uber healthy meal.

 

[BallistixOnZ490]

How on earth are you getting Dominoes for less than £5/day that feeds you for all meals...

50% off 24/7 where I live, and 'all meals'? I eat once a day. £20 of dominos lasts me for 3 days with being stuffed full, 4 days if I wanted or cared to have less.

God greggs deliveries are less than £5 a day easily.

 

[fez]

oh yea i mean its better than takeaways for sure. Sorry i thought you meant it be an uber healthy meal.

Oh no, just an average meal that isn't bad for you.

50% off 24/7 where I live, and 'all meals'? I eat once a day. £20 of dominos lasts me for 3 days with being stuffed full, 4 days if I wanted or cared to have less.

God greggs deliveries are less than £5 a day easily.

Sounds like you need to sort out a lot of things. Are you only eating once a day or only eating one "meal" a day and grazing on crap the rest of the time.

You will find it almost impossible to go cold turkey so you need to try make changes little by little.

Have porridge for breakfast. If you put a few bits and pieces in it that will only be £1/day.

Do you live on your own? Does anyone help you? You seem to have access to a lot of junk food but say you can't get access to proper food easily.

 

[BallistixOnZ490]

You can't carry anything? Not a tin of beans or a 500g bag of pasta.

£40 also isn't a lot of food. If I was feeding myself I would easy be able to put together a £40 shop.

Of course its easier to have someone delivery ready cooked food to your door but do you see why its hard to sympathise with some of these reasons. Its easier not to exercise, its easier not to wash yourself regularly, its easier not to cook or clean. We do these things because ultimately they make us healthier and happier in the long term.

Missed this post until someone else quoted it.

1) Im not asking for any amount of sympathy / pity.

2) I am explaining why people like me end up fat

3) I collapse from putting T shirts on shelves, crossing roads, and carrying things around my house.

4) I have cupboards full of pasta and sauce, a freezer full of meat and veg, boxes of cereal, butter, sugar flour and 60 eggs in the fridge.

Trying to prepare food for about 20 minutes now induces severe lightheadedness / vertigo and blurred vision. I have to push through it to make anything more than pasta or cereal.

 

[200sols]

Its not just that, when I try eating anything healthy / alternative, I still need to eat something I normally would on top.

Say I buy and try Huel. And I still end up needing to cook a quiche on top. All I've done is add all the calories from the Huel on top of my current fat.

The hardest part of losing weight is changing habits. I start off with telling myself 'I WILL NEVER BUY CHOCOLATE AGAIN WHEN LIVING ALONE', and then theres 96 creme eggs on my dining table, boxes of bassets sweets from amazon, and now all the ingredients to bake my own basic cake and biscuits when I do manage to not buy ready made ones.

You need to make a decision really, continue eating yourself into an early grave and being miserable or sort your life out. Yes to start with it is hard but after a few weeks the cravings for these ultra processed foods do subside.

 

[BallistixOnZ490]

Oh no, just an average meal that isn't bad for you.



Sounds like you need to sort out a lot of things. Are you only eating once a day or only eating one "meal" a day and grazing on crap the rest of the time.

You will find it almost impossible to go cold turkey so you need to try make changes little by little.

Have porridge for breakfast. If you put a few bits and pieces in it that will only be £1/day.

Do you live on your own? Does anyone help you? You seem to have access to a lot of junk food but say you can't get access to proper food easily.

Oh yes I have like 4 boxes of porridge and buy 12 litres of UHT milk at a time, except I can't stand it without sugar.

 

[Burnsy2023]

2) I am explaining why people like me end up fat

I don't think you understand. Most people here don't want to listen, they don't want to understand. They want to berate you, and shame you in the misplaced idea that it will motivate you to change your behaviour - because problems are simple and they have all the answers.

 

[BallistixOnZ490]

You need to make a decision really, continue eating yourself into an early grave and being miserable or sort your life out. Yes to start with it is hard but after a few weeks the cravings for these ultra processed foods do subside.

1) 'Eating into an early grave'

2) 'Miserable'

How are these two things mutual? I would be more miserable trying to eat healthier and actually very much enjoy what I choose to eat.

If it were my choice and allowed, I would have had the NHS euthanize me over a decade ago. Living longer would be and is miserable to me.

Maybe I'll try a whole week of Gregg's donuts next. Because I can and they're super cheap and easy. This thread has provided me the motivation to do so.

Hope I have a heart attack soon - actually this would likely be the only way to get the NHS to take me seriously, that is if I survive it.