Caporegime
No vitamin c in "c"hips
Obesity
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You don't need it in food you just buy supplements
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I'm just surprised a certain other individual hasn't arrived yet saying how awful you all are for stabbing cows and that you would be far healthier and leaner eating grass 
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Any research done on that?
Absolutely not.
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Epidemiology isn't nutrition science. Firstly there were probably zero participants on a carnivore diet, so this data only applies to people eating a "normal" carb based diet. The other thing is that people lie on surveys, so data from this type of study is notoriously innacurate in the first place, and then they "adjust" the data to make it say whatever they want.
There's also "healthy user bias" which is where, because red meat is already demonised in the media, people who eat red meat are more likely to eat in a format which is deeply unhealthy, like burgers with ketchup, mayo and fake cheese. Or lasagne, or sandwhiches, or pizza. They are also more likely to do no exercise, drink alcohol or smoke (the things you've posted specifically call this out and then say "no its ok, we adjusted for that", so they aren't even publishing their actual data, they are gathering data and then fudging it about)
You'll notice that they are very careful to say "associated with" not "caused by" in all the studies you've listed, because even the authors know that they can't make a cause and effect statement based on their data
None of the studies have shown their actual questionnaire, but I've seen the one for some of these types of studies and they literally tell people to include lasagne and pizza in "red meat" when they answer.
Find any RCT's on the subject?
As far as I'm aware, there aren't any.
There was an RCT a few weeks ago saying increased protein causes diabetes... they gave people a premixed protein shake - the list of ingredients from greatest to smallest listed what in 1st position... glucose syrup.
There's also "healthy user bias" which is where, because red meat is already demonised in the media, people who eat red meat are more likely to eat in a format which is deeply unhealthy, like burgers with ketchup, mayo and fake cheese. Or lasagne, or sandwhiches, or pizza. They are also more likely to do no exercise, drink alcohol or smoke (the things you've posted specifically call this out and then say "no its ok, we adjusted for that", so they aren't even publishing their actual data, they are gathering data and then fudging it about)
You'll notice that they are very careful to say "associated with" not "caused by" in all the studies you've listed, because even the authors know that they can't make a cause and effect statement based on their data
None of the studies have shown their actual questionnaire, but I've seen the one for some of these types of studies and they literally tell people to include lasagne and pizza in "red meat" when they answer.
Find any RCT's on the subject?
As far as I'm aware, there aren't any.
There was an RCT a few weeks ago saying increased protein causes diabetes... they gave people a premixed protein shake - the list of ingredients from greatest to smallest listed what in 1st position... glucose syrup.
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My daughter did try but we're old schoolI'm just surprised a certain other individual hasn't arrived yet saying how awful you all are for stabbing cows and that you would be far healthier and leaner eating grass
Quick get in there it's an open market
Sorry you can't say that statistics have been manipulated, it just doesn't give the right impression ,according to some
I would like to know how you yourself (not what people have told you) measure whether you are let's say normal, overweight, obese which ever. Do you measure proper waist size or do you measure what size trousers/jeans you can get into.
I'm overweight in my estimation and take a 36/32 jean
I'm overweight in my estimation and take a 36/32 jean
Caporegime
It’s always about the girth.
Soldato
I avoid obesity by putting the fork down.
It's not rocket science, don't shovel food into your mouth constantly, and move around as much as possible rather than sitting around for long periods.
It's not rocket science, don't shovel food into your mouth constantly, and move around as much as possible rather than sitting around for long periods.
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I think if you have a flat stomach, not a 6 pack, then you are "healthy"
I still have a podgy belly so I would say I'm over-fatted, but underweight on muscle currently (I lost a lot of strength doing calorie restriction and trying to follow the general guidelines for protein intake)
My BMI puts me at "normal" (21.4), but my gut tells a different story
my scales tell me I'm 19% body fat, but I look more like 25% - my arms and face are "skinny" but as I say, I have gut fat to get rid of
Isn't it just
How do you measure yourself, waist size or trouser/jean size?
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I'm a 36 trouser, but needing a belt, guess I'll need smaller trousers soon
I just measured my waist and its 84cm, which is 33inches? around my hips is 94cm
I started as a 42 trouser
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So waist 33 and trouser 36? Seems the wrong way round if you say you have a bit of a gut
You may well be obese, if you're not muscular or very tall or very short (which you aren't - 32 leg on the jeans implies say 5'11 or 6ft) then a 36 inch waist is pushing into obesity.
I'd only use things like those measurements to contradict BMI if there is a reason to - like if you're particularly muscular and technically overweight by BMI but had a slim waist and low bodyfat... with a 36 inch waist that's unlikely and you'll probably find you're pushing close to or slightly into the obese category.
I just wanted to know how you yourself viewed your weight and how you measured it by either your proper waist or trouser "waist".
Not what you had been told
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