Observation or Fat Shaming?

I've struggled with weight for the last 20 years, but there is no one else to blame but me. I've just not been able to stick with a diet plan for long so I end up putting it all back on. I don't have an under-active thyroid etc.

People are finding excuses to be fat e.g. the "fat gene" which I don't think exists.

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I think with some people it may link to mental health. If e.g. you get annoyed or upset and the solution is to order a big sticky delivery pizza - and this happens regularly - it could be a mental health problem.

I feel for you and sympathise, because you're honest about it. The thing about diet plans is that there is no "one size fits all" [haha] solution, different things work for different people, and that's what makes it so hard.
 
I've struggled with weight for the last 20 years, but there is no one else to blame but me. I've just not been able to stick with a diet plan for long so I end up putting it all back on. I don't have an under-active thyroid etc.

Yup. Me too, and it's all down to me. I weigh 19 stone and 4 of that is excess fat. I just need to exercise more and eat less.
 
When someone posts online that a celebrity has put on weight without including anything else that's derogatory is that just an observation or fat shaming?

Maybe, depending on the context the "shaming" could be implied, but not necessarily.

Freaking brendon frasier what happened to the dude

He seems to be one of the recent examples (though he was injured and had mental health issues etc..)

The other one is Camila Cabello, for example:


The thing is objectively she does seem to be "overweight" as the tweeter themself acknowledges but in the comments people are quite adamant about denying this. Problem is our perceptions of "normal" weight (in terms of BMI) are warped, two-thirds of adults in the UK are overweight or obese (about a third in each category), similar in the US albeit slightly more in the obese category even... so this person who is clearly overweight (an unhealthy state to be in) is seen as a "normal" weight by people whose perceptions have been warped.

Some will even try to justify this; "I like real women" etc... though it seems to be a cope in some cases. Same thing with so-called "dad bods" for men, in reality, most women who like "dad bods" are talking about a bit of extra fat not a potbelly! Likewise, plenty of men who like curves are talking about boobs and bum not just general fatness.

You also have the denial of reality re: BMI, because there are some flaws for some people with it (too short, keen bodybuilder etc..) people attempt some handwaving and conclude it should therefore be ignored. sort of how like Covid anti-vaxers try to justify opposition to the vaccine with "vaccinated people still get infected and can still spread it".

Anyway, the original tweeter was even catching flack for mentioning the reality that she's a little overweight and has tried to backtrack a bit and some how claim she isn't overweight:

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Then some of the top replies literally deny reality:

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She clearly is overweight... yes she's also very pretty regardless, or at least her face is, her body is perhaps rather typical for women in the west her age (overweight) and nothing special, and they've thrown in a dig/cope re: skinny models (ironically, if the other way around he'd no doubt cry "body-shaming")

This one is particularly silly:

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Body standards are unrealistic? Not really, modern diets are partly to blame for sure but 1/3 of adults still manage to not be overweight or obese, it's not just something for a tiny minority of people. Plenty of this is still down to the individual and their lifestyle choices too, especially if you're wealthy.

Anyway, re: body shaming/fat-shaming, if the pictures were taken and published in the context of "look at her, look at how she's let herself go" then sure, it is a bit by implication. I do find the counter to this sort of thing to be incredibly disingenuous too, just outright denying reality, pretending that people who are overweight aren't and that it's perfectly fine to be overweight isn't a good thing either.
 
Body standards are unrealistic? Not really, modern diets are partly to blame for sure but 1/3 of adults still manage to not be overweight or obese, it's not just something for a tiny minority of people. Plenty of this is still down to the individual and their lifestyle choices too, especially if you're wealthy.

I'm overweight. I am. I know it. I'm slowly working on it. Best shape probably of my adult life and trying to change my mindset on a balance of exercise and fueling your body effectively. The fact remains though that I am still overweight. This means that my bones, joints and organs are put under more pressure to keep me moving and alive. That's just a fact. I am getting really sick of this "normalising any body shape" crap, because people don't like to be told they're not healthy and a risk. You might love what you look like and be happy with yourself (bet you aren't but whatever, I wasn't and still am not 100%) but the fact remains, you're more likely going to get something happen to you, health wise, due to being overweight.
We have the whole thing wrong when it comes to food, diet and all this BS. It's just backwards.

rant over.
 
I'm overweight. I am. I know it. I'm slowly working on it. Best shape probably of my adult life and trying to change my mindset on a balance of exercise and fueling your body effectively. The fact remains though that I am still overweight. This means that my bones, joints and organs are put under more pressure to keep me moving and alive. That's just a fact. I am getting really sick of this "normalising any body shape" crap, because people don't like to be told they're not healthy and a risk. You might love what you look like and be happy with yourself (bet you aren't but whatever, I wasn't and still am not 100%) but the fact remains, you're more likely going to get something happen to you, health wise, due to being overweight.
We have the whole thing wrong when it comes to food, diet and all this BS. It's just backwards.

rant over.

This is why I detest outlets like Love Your Curves.

They market themselves as being called "Yours" and their logo is a heart that goes before it, clearly saying "Love Yours", referring to love your curves. It's very sneaky.

Money >>> health
 
Left wing ideology seems to celebrate ugliness over beauty, the whole thing is backwards. What incentive does someone have to actually lose weight when they're told there's nothing wrong with them and are put on the front cover of magazines?
 
There's an advert on TV where one of the 'models' is akin to an elephant seal wearing women's underwear. Apparently, according to the girlfriend of a friend of a friend, I'm not allowed to question, or laugh at the incredulity, of this because it's fat-shaming. She wasn't best pleased with my response.
 
He gets a pass , dude got a nasty neck injury amongst other things and I think he said he basically couldn't work out anymore.

Yeah, he got many injuries whilst doing the Mummy films. The third one, he was padded up for a lot of scenes
 
Left wing ideology seems to celebrate ugliness over beauty, the whole thing is backwards. What incentive does someone have to actually lose weight when they're told there's nothing wrong with them and are put on the front cover of magazines?

Do you not take better care of things you like?

If bullying fat people worked as an incentive they'd be none left.
 
I don't care if someone chooses to be obese. They can choose to degrade their quality of life and shorten their life if they want to. That's personal. It would bother me if anyone I cared about did it, but it would still be their choice because it would still be personal.

I do care when people are promoting obesity. They're doing harm to other people. That's political. And it's currently a big problem and one that's getting worse. The country can't afford to try to mitigate the huge amount of harm being done by the "fat acceptance" political ideology. Even just the direct cost to the NHS is too high.
 
they usually say someone has lost weight, loads of the persons "PR photos" where they look bigger if anything.... whos the one recently claiming to have lost 3.5 stone?
 
People are finding excuses to be fat e.g. the "fat gene" which I don't think exists.

and yet everybody knows somebody who eats anything they want, do no exercise and never put an ounce on, I'm going out with one tonight.
Back in the 80s around 15 work colleagues were taken to Cambridge to go through a series of tests over a weekend.
After the tests it was discovered that I can only eat 1200 calories a day before I start putting weight on, a woman colleague could only eat 900 calories. My mate Pete could eat 4000 calories before putting weight on.
 
and yet everybody knows somebody who eats anything they want, do no exercise and never put an ounce on, I'm going out with one tonight.
Back in the 80s around 15 work colleagues were taken to Cambridge to go through a series of tests over a weekend.
After the tests it was discovered that I can only eat 1200 calories a day before I start putting weight on, a woman colleague could only eat 900 calories. My mate Pete could eat 4000 calories before putting weight on.
it deends if you fidget a lot, shake your leg or knee when sitting etc.
it all burns calories
obviously people have different muscle mass, etc which all uses calories to maintain.

I don't believe it's any "gene" maybe the people who can eat more and not put on weight aren't as efficient at processing food so they have more wastage coming out the other end.

could even be down to diet, and how "healthy" the bacteria is your body that helps break down food molecules.

anyone whos not active and bouncing around will digest food slower and have it take more time to travel through the body as well, if your only going to the toilet once a week your doing something wrong.
 
and yet everybody knows somebody who eats anything they want, do no exercise and never put an ounce on, I'm going out with one tonight.
So true. I know a few like it. Skinny fat though. Unhealthy as anything. I look at a cake and balloon like nothing else. Slow metabolism from years of yo-yo dieting trying to "get thinner" which really just meant reducing intake to the point where my body starved and put it all back on as soon as I stopped.

I would prefer we celebrated things like other imperfections; It's nice to see BooHoo women's clothes doing this for stretch marks. Airbrushing women's pictures and making them strive for some image of this perfect woman that just doesn't exist is really ******* stupid and I hate it. Especially with a little girl! Really don't want her to grow up with those things, so do what we can to teach her otherwise.
 
The media stir up a lot of this by showing pictures of someone who is obviously overweight and with a headline (paraphrasing) "she moves around with her toned body", knowing people are going to comment against the persons weight.
 
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