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OCUK Binned i7 7700k's - Only 4.8Ghz??

I just look back to my rubber keyed 48k spectrum and think WOW at what we have now. Going from getting a frog across a road to pumping lead into people on the battlefield from around the globe to being scared ****less in a VR experience, amazing! Not every bit of tech is a leap forward but generally always in the right direction to giving us a better experience be it games, benchmarking or number crunching. Kaby will be a pointless upgrade for some but great for others. I cant wait to slap a pot on it and watch the LN2 bubble as the frequency soars, how times have changed. The horse is just evolving and that takes a little time.
 
I remember looking at my ZX81 and thinking if I can find enough cash to buy a 48k I'll code like a man possessed. Rubber keys and 48K will be a mile better!! When the 128 come out I almost needed hospitalising.
 
8 Pack said:
Intel is not desperate at all!!

Humbug please stop typing all this Zen stuff with no concrete testing having been done by your self to back it up.
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I'm talking about KabyLake, not Zen.

You said yourself most do 4.8Ghz without De-liding, THAT actually fits with what a lot of reviewers are finding. My Devils Canyon also does 4.8Ghz without de-liding, Pildriver, another 4.8Ghz CPU, Sandy Bridge often did 5Ghz or more without de-lid. fancy that....

KabyLake is SkyLake on a more mature process and re-named, i don't need to test that to say that because the internet is doing that for me.

You cutting them up with a razor blade or whatever tools you use to help keep them cool does not qualify for your average observer and potential buyer like me, it doesn't make them a much better brand new chip from SkyLake, it makes them what they are, a newer revision of SkyLake.

Re-branding Skylake might not be desperate, Intel are the only CPU vendor in existence if not in reality but practically, its still a very cynical thing to do, and if AMD have caught up not in outright clock speed but IPC then yes actually it kinda is desperate, desperate to stay ahead, to save face, in the same way AMD used high clock speeds to try and keep up.
How tables turn.

We will see soon enough i guess, if AMD's IPC is similar with Zen yes i'm calling it desperate, like it or not. Intel have done #### all to advance CPU performance themselves in the last decade or near enough, they are not worthy market leaders, IMO espesialy with some of the cynical stunts they have pulled in the past to retain that position, which i also call desperate.
 
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I don't understand this thread at all.

8 Pack does overclocked bundles which is great for anyone who does not want to do it themselves.

People are arguing about overclocking a quad core to 5ghz or more. What are they going to use them for as 4.5ghz is plenty for gaming.

If people want massive CPU performance they should be looking at 6, 8 or 10 processors. Even a very basic 6 core intel CPU will easily out perform any overclocked 7700k.

And people should give 8 Pack more credit for offering these bundles as it involves a lot of work to test a lot of CPUs.
 
Kaapstad said:
I don't understand this thread at all.

8 Pack does overclocked bundles which is great for anyone who does not want to do it themselves.

People are arguing about overclocking a quad core to 5ghz or more. What are they going to use them for as 4.5ghz is plenty for gaming.

If people want massive CPU performance they should be looking at 6, 8 or 10 processors. Even a very basic 6 core intel CPU will easily out perform any overclocked 7700k.

And people should give 8 Pack more credit for offering these bundles as it involves a lot of work to test a lot of CPUs.
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I couldn't agree more. The people who are arguing about it would obviously prefer to overclock their own CPUs and that's absolutely fine. However, for the same reason there's a market for prebuilt machines, there's a market for binned CPUs that come with tested OCs. That's also fine. People need to just chillax and accept that there are people out there who are happy to pay a premium for less effort.
 
Kaapstad said:
I don't understand this thread at all.

8 Pack does overclocked bundles which is great for anyone who does not want to do it themselves.

People are arguing about overclocking a quad core to 5ghz or more. What are they going to use them for as 4.5ghz is plenty for gaming.

If people want massive CPU performance they should be looking at 6, 8 or 10 processors. Even a very basic 6 core intel CPU will easily out perform any overclocked 7700k.

And people should give 8 Pack more credit for offering these bundles as it involves a lot of work to test a lot of CPUs.
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benjii said:
I couldn't agree more. The people who are arguing about it would obviously prefer to overclock their own CPUs and that's absolutely fine. However, for the same reason there's a market for prebuilt machines, there's a market for binned CPUs that come with tested OCs. That's also fine. People need to just chillax and accept that there are people out there who are happy to pay a premium for less effort.
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Bit boke inducing guys :p

Is it not understandable that Kaby is expensive enough, without adding a premium to what could be considered fairly generic overclocking samples? If 90% of those who buy the chips on their own can do this, what is the point in paying a premium for one bundled with a bunch of other hardware?

Most would like to see binned CPU's sold separately. Caseking offer this, why not OCUK too?
 
Armageus said:
Surely reviewers get cherry picked samples though? - unless the review states "we bought a retail processor" etc.
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Not really... Intel are pretty good at not doing that.

I remember the 6950X reviews & some reviewers even struggled to get past 4.2GHz, most capped at 4.3GHz and only one or two got to 4.4.

Mine, some others and the 8-pack binned chips handle 4.5 without breaking a sweat :)
 
Kaapstad said:
I don't understand this thread at all.

8 Pack does overclocked bundles which is great for anyone who does not want to do it themselves.

People are arguing about overclocking a quad core to 5ghz or more. What are they going to use them for as 4.5ghz is plenty for gaming.

If people want massive CPU performance they should be looking at 6, 8 or 10 processors. Even a very basic 6 core intel CPU will easily out perform any overclocked 7700k.

And people should give 8 Pack more credit for offering these bundles as it involves a lot of work to test a lot of CPUs.
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X99 use older Haswell or Broadwell architectures. Z170/Z270 use Skylake/Kabylake, which has higher performance and reach higher frequencies.

The higher IPC and higher frequencies translate into superior gaming performance, in many games that only care about clock speed and IPC. There are not many games that can actually get a performance benefit out of 6, 8, or 10 cores, so they are useless for most people who are just gaming.

Most people only use 1 GPU, so the extra lanes of X99 are also useless to 99% of the market.

Obviously for 4xTitanXP a x99 CPU is mandatory, though I think your the only active poster on this forum with such a setup, as you know ;)
 
Depends on the game... I had a watercooled 4.7GHz 6700k system for a while and yes - for games that focus on single core performance... it's the one to go for (or now 7700k).

But games are finally starting to use more cores (BF1 is a good example of a game that prefers at least 6 cores) and with DX12 and Vulcan... the benefit of extra cores is going to go up and up.

It looks like AMDs new offerings will be at a very good price too... so their new 6 and 8 core CPUs should shine while coming in at similar and less money than even a 7700k build :)
 
Not sure where pulled 99% of users was pulled from, but there is more to than that.

A lot of users switch to X99 for the additional IO, also. Users that play games as well as having a lot of peripherals, there's plenty of this to go around. Adding PCIE cards with the additional lanes available, is a much more efficient means of adding additional IO. Rather than using USB hubs. You're more limited on the mainstream platforms in this regard. That in itself, is equally as beneficial as well as having additional CPU cores. Regardless if games are multi threaded or not, there is compromise from both sides...





humbug said:
Stress testing no longer counts?

AVX is an extension, its not something thats only ever used in stress testing, its used in normal Desktop operations, Stress testing AVX is no different to Handbreak encoding or tessellated image rendering..
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Handbrake uses AVX 2.0. The real facts to take away here is more about Prime's AVX 2.0 routines more than it is the extension itself. Nothing pulls the levels of current that Prime AVX does (and make no mistake, it's the current that you should be concerned with). If you are running in excess of 1.35v and running Prime 28.*, you'll likely degrade the CPU to some extent if you don't disable AVX within Prime. Simply using AVX offset isn't really enough, either. You can use the thermal control tool from the UEFI with ASUS boards to reduce the core voltage, also. Intel acknowledges things such as this, which is exactly why AVX offset was brought in.

Having an overclock that's able to pass RB or general stress testing is perfectly acceptable, it will also save you burning out a perfectly good CPU.
 
crinkleshoes said:
Depends on the game... I had a watercooled 4.7GHz 6700k system for a while and yes - for games that focus on single core performance... it's the one to go for (or now 7700k).

But games are finally starting to use more cores (BF1 is a good example of a game that prefers at least 6 cores) and with DX12 and Vulcan... the benefit of extra cores is going to go up and up.

It looks like AMDs new offerings will be at a very good price too... so their new 6 and 8 core CPUs should shine while coming in at similar and less money than even a 7700k build :)
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It seems to be happening increasingly. Look at the following - 2 Total War games, same engine. One in 2015 and one in 2016. The 2016 engine (I believe this is running on DX11 - CPU bottlenecked framerates are higher with than this with DX12) has been updated from 32 bit to 64 bit and also for spreading loads across all available threads (actually it seems to prefer physical cores to HT).

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It's also interesting to see what Vulcan will bring to the table. The performance increase it brought in Doom over OpenGL was absolutely spectacular.
 
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