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Nursery rang, he has a temperature (no **** he's teething), and it has to be a full 24h without before he can come back in. Basically we're taking £60 off you for tomorrow (as well as all the bank holidays we had loads of money from you for nothing) and there's nothing you can do. Legal theft these places.
 
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Nursery rang, he has a temperature (no **** he's teething), and it has to be a full 24h without before he can come back in. Basically we're taking £60 off you for tomorrow (as well as all the bank holidays we had loads of money from you for nothing) and there's nothing you can do. Legal theft these places.
Really shows the differences between nurseries, ours told us that our daughter was extra dribbly / definitely teething so asked if they could give her calpol! No issue from us, keeps her temp down and she's less whiney about her teeth - and she's also fine to just stay at nursery as well.
 
What a surprise, after Calpol yesterday afternoon and again at night, he's had constant sub 38 degree temperatures and is absolutely fine this morning. Yet nursery policy is 24h without a temperature. I feel like they've done it deliberately as we told them yesterday morning he had a temperature and we asked them to give him Calpol however they didn't right up until about half 4, convenient for them.
 
I need to vent.

My eldest, 12, was taken to hospital from school today. He suffered a dislocated ankle and a broken tibia and we are waiting on a CT scan to see if any more damage has been done and that will tell the docs whether they need to pin the tibia or not as it broke right through the growth plate. It looks awful. I'm not at hospital with him but his mum is and apparently he's handling it like a boss..although he doesnt know what's possibly ahead of him yet. He could have a long recovery ahead of him.

I'm both incredibly sad and absolutely livid. This happened in football - of course it did, what else would it be? And it was the resident bully who he's had many problems with in the past, including us having to involve the police, who smashed his ankles to bits. When he's back home and settled, we need to have the school deal with this appropriately. This is the last straw with that kid. But that's for later. Right now, I just want him to be OK. He plays for a local football team, that's out the window for the forseeable. And he'd just won manager's player of the year for the second time a few days ago. Absolutely gutted for him.


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Can you press GBH charges against him?

I would be involving the police immediately today, you don't want excuses in several weeks of being unable to investigate due to time passed.
 
Ouch. Some people might be against violence, but I would be having a 'word' with the bully.

Believe me I want to.

Can you press GBH charges against him?

I would be involving the police immediately today, you don't want excuses in several weeks of being unable to investigate due to time passed.
Unsure but we will he contacting the police either today or tomorrow. The priority has been making sure he's OK.

So, he had his CT last night. They are happy with the resetting of the ankle and have decided no operation is needed right now. Because of the damage to the growth plate, only time will tell if growth becomes an issue requiring an op when he's older.

I am amazed at how well he's handled it all. He was given ketamine when he had has ankle reset and he was as high as a kite lol

As far as the other kid goes, we are in contact with the head of the school and demanded a meeting to discuss this. Obviously they can't tell us what will happen but we've had enough. I don't want that kid at that school any more. This was deliberate and its had severe consequences for my son. This other kid deserves the same and much, much more.
 
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Believe me I want to.


Unsure but we will he contacting the police either today or tomorrow. The priority has been making sure he's OK.

So, he had his CT last night. They are happy with the resetting of the ankle and have decided no operation is needed right now. Because of the damage to the growth plate, only time will tell if growth becomes an issue requiring an op when he's older.

I am amazed at how well he's handled it all. He was given ketamine when he had has ankle reset and he was as high as a kite lol

As far as the other kid goes, we are in contact with the head of the school and demanded a meeting to discuss this. Obviously they can't tell us what will happen but we've had enough. I don't want that kid at that school any more. This was deliberate and its had severe consequences for my son. This other kid deserves the same and much, much more.

Similar thing happened at my son's school a few years ago. The bully had hurt people multiple times and then one day pushed my son's friend into bushes which had a metal fence kind of inside them. Hilarity of a "bush push" was assumed initially only until it was realised that he'd broken his arm quite badly. The bully got expelled. He was rough AF. With this one, Police I believe were threatened to be involved if the school did not deal with it. I know the parents that made that threat. I think since he was expelled they did not follow up with assault charges.

Similar incident only this year. Some wrongun got annoyed with my son for basically embarrassing him at football (my son is very good) and chased him until he got hold of him and got a few hits to the face in. My lad is small for his age. Completely unfair fight with this local *****. Was holding him down whilst punching him in the face with his head against concrete floor. I got called up to come in and collect him. They weren't allowed to talk about it or say who it was. Next day the kid got expelled as well. I didn't do anything other than just receive a call to say it was being dealt with. The school seems to have a zero tolerance policy which I think is good.
 
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Ouch. Some people might be against violence, but I would be having a 'word' with the bully.

But you could go to jail for having that "word" unless you manage to go somewhere very private with the bully. In battering a child bully, you become one yourself right or wrong.
It's one of the hardest things to do ever...sit back as a parent and let official processes handle violent bullying. I've been there got the T shirt.
 
Ergh that's so brutal, glad your son is taking it in his stride but I'm sure reality may set in over the next few days which would be interesting to see how he reacts i.e full on anger! Hope the school takes appropriate action, especially with it being so deliberate.

Always remember when I was at school during a rugby lesson, school bully effectively 'dump tackled' the new kid (had just moved schools) in our class for the 'lols' and broke his arm. Unfortunately nothing ever happened to the bully, PE teacher didn't see it happen so just put it down as an 'accident'... hope you have more luck with some action!
 
Thanks guys. I know i have to take a back seat to a certain extent. His mum has been dealing with the school and me getting involved is unlikely to help the situation. Luckily she's a TA herself, not at that school, so she has a good idea of what procedures they should be following. Her friend also happens to be on the board, so that helps. They, naturally, cant tell us what's going to happen to the boy. We've asked in a round-a-bout way what the punishment is for that sort of incident and it basically amounts to a few days suspension and a few more days isolation. I dunno about anybody else but that's pathetic, frankly. When i was at school, I had a whole week's suspensions just for breaking a sink. Accidently!. And a couple of days off is just a holiday to little **** faces like that, hardly much of an inconvenience. Perfect example of just why kids get away with what they do these days.


Anyway. My boy went in for his second hospital appointment on monday. They were aiming to have him in a hard cast but that was dependant on swelling etc. They decided not to as his foot is still too swollen. Understandable. They also told his mum that both his tibia and fibula were broken along with the dislocation. I'm not being funny but you can see that from the xray; fibulas arent supposed to be bent at near-right angles. I questioned this as soon as i saw the xray but apparently they just forgot to mention it on the first visit.:rolleyes:

So yeah, still in a soft cast, still waiting a hard cast, dont know yet if he'll need an operation in the near future to correct the ankle and almost certainly will need one later in life and a lot of physio. And his mum's had to cancel his hoilday as well. Can't swim with your leg in a cast :( I really feel for him.
 
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Thanks guys. I know i have to take a back seat to a certain extent. His mum has been dealing with the school and me getting involved is unlikely to help the situation. Luckily she's a TA herself, not at that school, so she has a good idea of what procedures they should be following. Her friend also happens to be on the board, so that helps. They, naturally, cant tell us what's going to happen to the boy. We've asked in a round-a-bout way what the punishment is for that sort of incident and it basically amounts to a few days suspension and a few more days isolation. I dunno about anybody else but that's pathetic, frankly. When i was at school, I had a whole week's suspensions just for breaking a sink. Accidently!. And a couple of days off is just a holiday to little **** faces like that, hardly much of an inconvenience. Perfect example of just why kids get away with what they do these days.


Anyway. My boy went in for his second hospital appointment on monday. They were aiming to have him in a hard cast but that was dependant on swelling etc. They decided not to as his foot is still too swollen. Understandable. They also told his mum that both his tibia and fibula were broken along with the dislocation. I'm not being funny but you can see that from the xray; fibulas arent supposed to be bent at near-right angles. I questioned this as soon as i saw the xray but apparently they just forgot to mention it on the first visit.:rolleyes:

So yeah, still in a soft cast, still waiting a hard cast, dont know yet if he'll need an operation in the near future to correct the ankle and almost certainly will need one later in life and a lot of physio. And his mum's had to cancel his hoilday as well. Can't swim with your leg in a cast :( I really feel for him.
Slightly off topic, but does reinforce the need to have some form of travel insurance for all these "accidents" if a holiday does need canceling.
 
My lads starting high school next year.
He isn’t a small lad but is quite quiet. My biggest worry is him being bullied.

I had a little bit when I was 7-8 and 13-15. But dealt with it myself as I wasn’t exactly small and could land a punch well. Plus thankfully it was nothing serious, not like some of this stuff I see here and in the news.

As a parent I know it’s going to be very hard for me not to go nuclear if some **** starts making my lads life a misery.

I’ve no idea what zero tolerance in schools really mean. But I hope it is what it says on the tin and kids are immediately removed for serious assault or continued bullying.

I’ve no problem with some healthy rough play and the odd fight. But persistent targeting to me should be punished harshly.

Kids like that won’t do anything good for us so don’t waste education resource on them and disrupt other learners. Send them to the mines. Lol
 
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I need to vent.

My eldest, 12, was taken to hospital from school today. He suffered a dislocated ankle and a broken tibia and we are waiting on a CT scan to see if any more damage has been done and that will tell the docs whether they need to pin the tibia or not as it broke right through the growth plate. It looks awful. I'm not at hospital with him but his mum is and apparently he's handling it like a boss..although he doesnt know what's possibly ahead of him yet. He could have a long recovery ahead of him.

I'm both incredibly sad and absolutely livid. This happened in football - of course it did, what else would it be? And it was the resident bully who he's had many problems with in the past, including us having to involve the police, who smashed his ankles to bits. When he's back home and settled, we need to have the school deal with this appropriately. This is the last straw with that kid. But that's for later. Right now, I just want him to be OK. He plays for a local football team, that's out the window for the forseeable. And he'd just won manager's player of the year for the second time a few days ago. Absolutely gutted for him.

Can't imagine how upset I would be in this situation :(

I'm sure it isn't much of a consolation but when I was a young teenager I had quite a bad accident inline skating up in London (Playstation Skatepark if anyone remembers it, think it's still going but under different branding) - fell backwards from about 8ft up and directly onto my arm outstretched behind me - absolutely destroyed my wrist in quite a similar fashion to your lad here; it was horribly dislocated and X-rays revealed that the growth plate was smashed completely off to the side. I had to have it corrected via an operation under general and they said they weren't sure until they tried to manipulate and set it whether it would need to be pinned or not, and what kind of lengthy recovery etc. might be needed. In the end it didn't need pinning and other than the ~8 weeks to recover in the cast it wasn't as bad as they were warning about in the end - they also said I'd likely have to go easy on that wrist in the future but it's been nearly 20 years now and I have never had any problems with it under load/strain at all - so there's definitely some hope even if it looks bad now. I hope he pulls through and makes a really good recovery that doesn't affect his ankle
 
What a surprise, after Calpol yesterday afternoon and again at night, he's had constant sub 38 degree temperatures and is absolutely fine this morning. Yet nursery policy is 24h without a temperature. I feel like they've done it deliberately as we told them yesterday morning he had a temperature and we asked them to give him Calpol however they didn't right up until about half 4, convenient for them.
Is it a large nursery or quite a small one? Mine was often (it felt like every other week but in reality probably every 6 months or so, lol) sent home -- the CT'er in me would cross reference it with staffing numbers...

It is now large enough to be considered a "larger" nursery so we are getting 2 weeks extra next year, so full fees is the whole year excluding Christmas week. I imagine they will have sufficient staff that booting kids home isn't a priority.
 
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My lads starting high school next year.
He isn’t a small lad but is quite quiet. My biggest worry is him being bullied.

I had a little bit when I was 7-8 and 13-15. But dealt with it myself as I wasn’t exactly small and could land a punch well. Plus thankfully it was nothing serious, not like some of this stuff I see here and in the news.

As a parent I know it’s going to be very hard for me not to go nuclear if some **** starts making my lads life a misery.

I’ve no idea what zero tolerance in schools really mean. But I hope it is what it says on the tin and kids are immediately removed for serious assault or continued bullying.

I’ve no problem with some healthy rough play and the odd fight. But persistent targeting to me should be punished harshly.

Kids like that won’t do anything good for us so don’t waste education resource on them and disrupt other learners. Send them to the mines. Lol
I can tell you this; 'zero tolerance' isnt worth the paper it's written on. This isnt the first run in with this bully my boy's had, not by a long shot. There's a history of bullying, not just my son but a number of kids at that school and they continue to doo as little as possible whilst appearing to be as empathetic as they can. Feels very much like lip service dealing with these types of issues. I will not be the least bit interested when that boy gets the hiding he deserves.

Slightly off topic, but does reinforce the need to have some form of travel insurance for all these "accidents" if a holiday does need canceling.
Indeed it does :)

Can't imagine how upset I would be in this situation :(

I'm sure it isn't much of a consolation but when I was a young teenager I had quite a bad accident inline skating up in London (Playstation Skatepark if anyone remembers it, think it's still going but under different branding) - fell backwards from about 8ft up and directly onto my arm outstretched behind me - absolutely destroyed my wrist in quite a similar fashion to your lad here; it was horribly dislocated and X-rays revealed that the growth plate was smashed completely off to the side. I had to have it corrected via an operation under general and they said they weren't sure until they tried to manipulate and set it whether it would need to be pinned or not, and what kind of lengthy recovery etc. might be needed. In the end it didn't need pinning and other than the ~8 weeks to recover in the cast it wasn't as bad as they were warning about in the end - they also said I'd likely have to go easy on that wrist in the future but it's been nearly 20 years now and I have never had any problems with it under load/strain at all - so there's definitely some hope even if it looks bad now. I hope he pulls through and makes a really good recovery that doesn't affect his ankle

No that's good to know, thank you. I don't think they'll end up operating in the near future but we won't know until next week....hopefully. It's hard knowing there's nothing i can do to change things now - it's all down to him. He knows we are all 100% behind him but i'm not sure if he realises just how long it could take to get back to fitness again. That's something we purposely havent discussed with him yet as I don't think that doom and gloom, discussing worst outcomes and whatnot, is all that beneficial for him right now. We'll see what comes at the next hospital appointment, anyway :)


Thanks everyone :)
 
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Is it a large nursery or quite a small one? Mine was often (it felt like every other week but in reality probably every 6 months or so, lol) sent home -- the CT'er in me would cross reference it with staffing numbers...

It is now large enough to be considered a "larger" nursery so we are getting 2 weeks extra next year, so full fees is the whole year excluding Christmas week. I imagine they will have sufficient staff that booting kids home isn't a priority.
It’s quite a small one. I don’t think they followed their own terms and conditions but I don’t want to fall out with the nursery manager so I’ve been tight lipped since.
 
I can tell you this; 'zero tolerance' isnt worth the paper it's written on. This isnt the first run in with this bully my boy's had, not by a long shot. There's a history of bullying, not just my son but a number of kids at that school and they continue to doo as little as possible whilst appearing to be as empathetic as they can. Feels very much like lip service dealing with these types of issues. I will not be the least bit interested when that boy gets the hiding he deserves.


Indeed it does :)



No that's good to know, thank you. I don't think they'll end up operating in the near future but we won't know until next week....hopefully. It's hard knowing there's nothing i can do to change things now - it's all down to him. He knows we are all 100% behind him but i'm not sure if he realises just how long it could take to get back to fitness again. That's something we purposely havent discussed with him yet as I don't think that doom and gloom, discussing worst outcomes and whatnot, is all that beneficial for him right now. We'll see what comes at the next hospital appointment, anyway :)


Thanks everyone :)

How is he’s ankle? Ive got the same injury from playing football but no break just a dislocation. Its a long recovery,the break will be healed well before anything else. Im 7 weeks in nearly and still on crutches im not in a cast now tho im in a boot.
 
@dLockers quick summary of events.
He's dropped off at 8, with high temperature, he was given Calpol around 0730. Nursery manager said they'd take him in but if they record 2 successive high temperatures they will send him home. Verbal agreement in place with nursery manager and my mrs that he can have Calpol if required.
We hear nothing until 1630, they ring asking if he can have Calpol as his temperature is high, and they ask that we collect him and he's subsequently excluded for 24h. Convenient for them IMO!
They didn't check it at lunchtime as they said Calpol would still be in his system. The only time they checked it was after 1600.
What I would have expected to happen is they check it 4-6h after the first time he's had Calpol, if still high then either give him Calpol (they claim they'd still have to ring us regardless of any agreement in place) and/or monitor it, exactly like we would do at home.
I asked for their Ts&Cs regarding illness which they sent through, there is nothing in there about 2 successive high temperature recordings, the only mention is if they fail to keep a temperature. This is their wording:

If we cannot maintain a safe temperature, a child will need to be collected for his/her own safety, and will be exclude from nursery for 24 hours

My opinion is that they have not tried to maintain a safe temperature. They even had him outside in the sunshine at lunch time before his nap.

Thing is, nursery places are rare around here, and I don't want to fall out with them over something trivial. I guess they can always just play the 'manager digression' card. Just annoys me that they've had so much free money from us over the bank holidays and now this. Or maybe I should get off my high horse and just accept the fact that this sort of **** happens when you have children. FWIW he was absolutely fine from 1800 onwards and the following day, normal temperate, and normal toddler behaviour.
 
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I had a reply typed out on my experience @ChrisD. but it is almost identical to yours. Unfortunately the smaller scale places are more incentivized to bin off kids, so I have a number of stories where mine was sent home/excluded for X days because of XYZ reason. I dropped her off once and she had a rash which was immediately misdiagnosed as scarlet fever and she was excluded for 5 days -- I think we spent the first 3 at the zoo.

On the flip side, our child minder has now become a full fledged nursery - with 3 settings catering to 0-1, 1-3, and 3 to school age (+ wrap around). We now regularly get invited to party Saturday's with 'free' food, drinks, ice cream van, bouncy castle...and a lot of the setting staff are now "marketing managers" and "office managers". Fees have increased from £7 -> £7.50 -> £8 an hour and like yourself, I fund their holidays (4 weeks) and bank holidays (any Mondays). I'm now dinged £1184 - £1450 per month too as I lost my tax free childcare.

Super frustrating. Can't wait to be over with it. At school age, I am debating dropping hours to do 0900-1500...but it is tricky in my industry.

Edit: likewise on places. We were on a 1 year wait list for this place. Annoyingly it started off as a 300 yard work and is now a 15 min drive as they have moved premises twice. For a bulk of her 2nd year, they were effectively in a shed in the aunties garden as the master plan of changing setting was delayed...
 
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