OcUK Minecraft Server - Rules & Chat

I think you guys take it personally. People are just discussing the fact they can't get on the server or its crashed. No one is saying that it's the admins fault

Is the server actually down at the moment? It's impossible to tell from our end.
 
Aod said:
We could just make access to the server paid only - and because many more people would be paying, the monthly donation minimum could be reduced.

Windle/garsands, how many people on the whitelist are actually active? I'm guessing that it's more than four times the number of current paying members.

Reduce the monthly donation amount to 50p, which would lightly discourage griefers and also offset much more of the server costs.
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Bearing in mind only 3 people donate at the moment, which whilst it's appreciated I suspect the majority of players don't wish to pay. It's hard to tell how many are active, i suspect only a quarter of the whitelist actually appear on the server now and again.
 
Garsands said:
you have no idea none at all,
I had the same reply that you have just given 5th Jan I bit my lip big time at the time.
The best part was the to my knowledge part yup that would be ZERO Knowladge then
It does get you down trust me.
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zero knowledge lol. You know it's frustrating sitting there, reading your posts and you taking every complaint and turning them in to something personal. it's not my fault you cant differentiate between complaints about the stability of the server and complains about the administration of it and if you need it clarifying again, just re-read that post of mine and you'll realise i was referring to stability issues with the server.

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james.miller said:
for all intents and purposes, the software is the server Gar. It seems like you have an axe to grind, yet everybody knows its the software that's buggy. Nobody to my knowledge suggested that it was the host or the hardware (after they sorted that ram issue) or the admin / mod team. We all know you did nothing wrong.

Yes its annoying, frustrating and can be pretty disheartening at times when the server (software) crashes and you loose 20mins of work, but at the end of the day its still only a beta. we all know what we were getting in to. You needn't take any criticism personally, you did a great job
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So here we are then at this point......

are the admins and the server admin when it comes to this kind of thing is poor. It is not the players' responsibility to sort this out
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OMG are you for real so you can be baby sat for FREE
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quite honestly it's perfectly clear what that second quote is referring to - the moderation of the server and the way in which griefing is dealt with. COMPLETELY separate issue to the stability issues which i was referring to in that post you quoted above. Seem's like you still haven't put that axe down yet.
garsands said:
I will little you in to a little secret the Admins just want play games as well. Secret number two the server owner pays £24 a month so the forum members have a server to play on its a free service he & I use to offer.
Am I asking a little to much for players to keep a eye on THERE server ?
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windle said:
If you folk want to keep whingeing about it then I'll be reconsidering paying the bulk of the server operating costs, as Gar points out it's a thankless task. I get grief if the server crashes despite it not being hosting side but the crap minecraft BETA software. I get grief if the minecraft login servers go down and people can't connect.
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windle said:
Bearing in mind only 3 people donate at the moment, which whilst it's appreciated I suspect the majority of players don't wish to pay. It's hard to tell how many are active, i suspect only a quarter of the whitelist actually appear on the server now and again.
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what? :confused: loads and i mean 10's of us offered to donate, only to be told our money wasnt needed. Now you reckon people dont wish to pay?

I and i believe quite a few other would happily pay to play on a server if that meant we could play grief-free. This was the case when the first server thread was started and i very much believe it is still the case. I dare you to prove me wrong. Using the lack of contributions to the cost as an excuse to palm responsibility off to joe public when we OFFERED to pay for the server is bang out of order. you're moderators - moderate. if that means getting a team of people together to oversee the the goings on in the game then doing so is hardly a big task - do it.

jesus, on the one hand you say its a thankless task, having to pay for the server yourself. then on the other you tell us our money wasnt wanted. you can't have your cake and eat it.
 
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I've had some time to read through this and I'm slightly confused.

garsands said:
OMG are you for real so you can be baby sat for FREE :D
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What does this even mean? Why do you call server moderation being baby sat? There are scores of people on this server. Things are going wrong. It needs moderation. We cannot do anything about it. We can't watch other players if they're hundreds of blocks away from us all the time.

It is yours and Windle's server, I am amazed you are trying to pass the buck. You run the server, you have say over what happens on it, as players we have no powers to police it. We can't even see when something's going wrong, only the aftermath.

It is not being 'baby sat', it is moderation of a server and it is something which is badly needed because things are being stolen, peoples' properties are being destroyed and the players have no ability to see who is doing it or to do anything about it. We DO like the server, we ARE grateful but things are going badly. People are saying nice things because they're scared you'll pull the plug but something needs to be done because as the whitelist size increases, so do the problems.
 
garsands said:
Welcome to my world ;)
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put me on ignore then, it'd be the childish response ive come to expect from you.

james.miller said:
windle said:
On the moderation side, sure it'd be nice but who can I trust to be impartial and what powers should they have? Most of the players are closer/get on better with specific players so it's likely there will be a bias in the case of any disagreement.
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Ver and tefel. Both impartial and both of them want and fair and just sever to play on. It's always been those two after you took over from Gar, imo.
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Just in case people forgot the discussion last time-around.
 
garsands said:
As soon as Milgo vouches for you I will add you.
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I can vouch for mongooseman005 garsands. Thanks :)

Regarding the admin issue; I have only been playing for a few days, but I am just happy to get to use a friendly white list server for free. If its the admins that are funding the server then I certainly wouldn't complain about the job they are doing as they are allowing us to play on their server. It just seems bizarre to me.

Griefing is a pain, but it comes with the territory. If you want to make epic builds you should just host a server for people you know and trust.
 
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Actually jmiller although 10s of people may have offered to pay, when I made an appeal at the end of January for donations only 3 people contributed anything. I'm not using the lack of donations to justify anything, I said at the start I'd pay for the server and donations were a bonus. I'm just pointing out that people don't want to pay.

Are people under the impression that I have a magic grief vision that let's me know who did what? With Minecraft software as it is just now and the plugins available it is nearly impossible to do unless you catch someone in the act. Restrict whitelist? How do we reall know who is trustworthy, as I pointed ou in the past some longer term "respected" members have been caught.
 
Windle said:
Actually jmiller although 10s of people may have offered to pay, when I made an appeal at the end of January for donations only 3 people contributed anything. I'm not using the lack of donations to justify anything, I said at the start I'd pay for the server and donations were a bonus. I'm just pointing out that people don't want to pay.
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I didnt see this appeal, that's fair enough. However people would gladly pay. What's a couple of quid from 10-20 players if it means a grief-free server? it's nothing, people will pay it. But what, then, if people do pay? will that change your opinion on the moderation in-game ?

Are people under the impression that I have a magic grief vision that let's me know who did what? With Minecraft software as it is just now and the plugins available it is nearly impossible to do unless you catch someone in the act. Restrict whitelist? How do we reall know who is trustworthy, as I pointed ou in the past some longer term "respected" members have been caught.
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No, the server-side software is a shamble right now, it's obvious there isnt much that can be done. however other severs do handle moderation quite well, so i dont know - maybe you are missing something, be it a mod or a piece of software or something, that would make the administration of the server easier. Regardless though i still believe this server, now more than ever, needs a team of people with powers to remove the burden of in-game moderation from yourself.
 
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tbh i think we should help to pay would bring down the griefing list and then maybe be able to get better servers or something i dunno?
 
james.miller said:
I didnt see this appeal, that's fair enough. However people would gladly pay. What's a couple of quid from 10-20 players if it means a grief-free server? it's nothing, people will pay it. But what, then, if people do pay? will that change your opinion on the moderation in-game ?



No, the server-side software is a shamble right now, it's obvious there isnt much that can be done. however other severs do handle moderation quite well, so i dont know - maybe you are missing something, be it a mod or a piece of software or something. Regardless though i still believe this server, now more than ever, needs a team of people with powers to remove the burden of in-game moderation from yourself.
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Very few Minecraft servers have the whitelist we do ;)
 
Lysander said:
I've had some time to read through this and I'm slightly confused.

What does this even mean? Why do you call server moderation being baby sat? There are scores of people on this server. Things are going wrong. It needs moderation. We cannot do anything about it. We can't watch other players if they're hundreds of blocks away from us all the time.
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Baby sat as in you want the admins to sort out the problems for you, when you can do that yourself just aswell. But you dont want to as you feel its not your job to but the admins.
You say you can't do anything about it, what can we do about it ?
I have offered you the bbhere files for all the players for you do look at to find out who has done the damage thats something that YOU can do to help.
You have not taken me up on the offer yet would you like me to send the files to you ?
How can a moderatior watch other players if they're hundreds of blocks away ? Can you tell me that please ?
You want the admins to do all this for you on the server that windle is paying for so you want him to do more work for you ? can you not help out with the files ? Do your part to help ? or do you still want to be baby sat & let a admin do it for you ?

It is yours and Windle's server, I am amazed you are trying to pass the buck. You run the server, you have say over what happens on it, as players we have no powers to police it. We can't even see when something's going wrong, only the aftermath.
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Sigh as I have already said 'its not MY server I handed all power & owership to windle 2 months ago.
Pass the buck !!!! I have asked you for help I offered you the files to help out. I thankyou for that, I am sorry that the servce that you are getting it not up to scratch WTF !!!!! do you think we are a hosting company ? do you think we are experts at this ? are you paying to much to play on the server ?
pass the buck !!! what buck I am asking for YOUR HELP not passing the buck.
again would you like the files ? to help out on the server that you play on ?
or you just want to sit back thinking that as admins its our job to do it for you.

It is not being 'baby sat', it is moderation of a server and it is something which is badly needed because things are being stolen, peoples' properties are being destroyed and the players have no ability to see who is doing it or to do anything about it. We DO like the server, we ARE grateful but things are going badly. People are saying nice things because they're scared you'll pull the plug but something needs to be done because as the whitelist size increases, so do the problems.
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The first week that the server was up 4-5 months ago we had these problems and every month from then on.

Let me ask you how would you stop peoples working being damaged ?
Taking in the a few facts.

1. From the first week the server was up 4-5 months ago stuff was being damaged so some of the players in the top 40 of the whitelist damage others work not just players ant the end of the list.
So removing the last month or 2 worth of players on the whitelist is not going to fix that.

2. How is a server moderatior going to be able to catch the players that are damaging players work anymore then any otjher player on the server ?
They also can't see hundreds of blocks away anymore then a player can.

So what would you do ?
I am not passing the back I am asking for help as this is YOUR server.
 
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