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Bench Press: 75kg
Deadlift: 115kg
Squat: 140kg

6'3 @ 90kg body weight. Give me 6 months and I'll have my deadlift equalling my squat.

I must be some kinda freak because im 6ft 3, only been deadlifting for 7 weeks, and I deadlift 5x110, 5x120, 3x130 3x140 then 1x150 to finish. Im skinny as hell too, but admittedly, i think ive buggered my back up this week lol.

Your squat annihilates mine though, im doing 95kg 5x5 and its a killer. dunno what my 1rm squat would be
 
That sounds like you barely go half way down. I'm 5'11 and my bench press ROM is about 2 feet. Sounds like there's still a good foot of distance to go between your chest and the bar. My grip isn't that wide and my shoulders don't suffer any strain.
Well I'm about 6 ft 3, even if I went close grip there is no way in hell I'd get a 2 ft long ROM as I just measured distance from my chest to where the bar would be sitting at the begining of the lift and it's not even close to 2 feet. You either have freakishly long arms or a solid innacuracy in your approximation.

By saying that my ROM is about 1 foot I meant that the bar does not touch the chest, but it stops about 1 inch, maybe 2 above it. That is with a normal Bench grip for my height, without arching my back in a powerlifter stance or going super-wide.

Thread is about powerlifting lifts, as such, the weight recorded should be done so as if in competition (in terms of rom).
Anything less is not a full lift.
This is not a thread for partials ;)
I don't think a lift that stops 1 or 2 inches far from the chest can be considered a partial as long as my ROM is twice than what I've seen in powerlifter competition. But fair enough, this is a powerlifting thread. :)

I'm with Morba on this, it would be a no lift in terms of power lifting because he's only going half way down. If he went the full distance his bench press would likely be a lot less as the closer you are to locking out the more force you cab apply, well for me anyway. I think you'd have to have quite an ailment if you couldn't do a full ROM bench press. I think this is often why people don't go past parallel while squatting, because it's harder to stand up out of a full squat than it is out of a half squat, if the people who do half squats (parallel) went the full depth they'd have to lower their working weight.

So for me, when I bench I touch my chest with the bar, when I squat my thighs touch my calves, when I dead lift I stand up fully with no slouching, for dips my biceps touch my forearms and I push myself through the full ROM. To me, I dint see the point doing it if I'm just going to focus on the easiest part of the motion.

For the love of God, I am NOT going halfway down, I'm just not touching my chest, sure it would be a 1 inch ROM if I was 5 ft tall and used a powerlifter stance, but I am not. I can touch the bar on my chest, but especially when going heavy I can confortably push the weight up, but I'm feeling like I'm begging for a shoulder injury.

Same for the squats, if you think parallel is half of a squat then you are wrong. Some people do not have super flexibility, I don't see why a perfectly parallel squat can not be considered a valid lift, but that's just me.

If you are lucky enough to be that flexible so you can touch your biceps with your forearms when doing dips then good for you, for 90% of the people that's just unnecessary strain and huge risk of injury on their shoulder joint.
 
Because your rom is more than someone else it should be valid even though it's not a full lift?
The distance travelled is not what is in question here.
Unrack barbell, touch down on chest (no bounce), push back up, rack. Simple ;)
 
Well I'm about 6 ft 3, even if I went close grip there is no way in hell I'd get a 2 ft long ROM as I just measured distance from my chest to where the bar would be sitting at the begining of the lift and it's not even close to 2 feet. You either have freakishly long arms or a solid innacuracy in your approximation.
From my chest to where I hold the bar is just under 2 foot, say 55cm. My arms aren't freakishly long at all.

By saying that my ROM is about 1 foot I meant that the bar does not touch the chest, but it stops about 1 inch, maybe 2 above it. That is with a normal Bench grip for my height, without arching my back in a powerlifter stance or going super-wide.
I don't arch my back, I lay flat on the bench with my back flat on the bench. If you have a ROM of 1 foot, you either have short arms, hold the bar quite wide or you're going half way down. If you're 6'3, you're quite a bit bigger than me, so assuming your arms are in proportion, your arms should be over 2 foot, meaning your range of motion, providing you're not close gripping or wide gripping the bar. I keep my middle fingers at the smooth rings on the bar.


I don't think a lift that stops 1 or 2 inches far from the chest can be considered a partial as long as my ROM is twice than what I've seen in powerlifter competition. But fair enough, this is a powerlifting thread. :)
I wasn't debating it stopping 1-2" from the chest, but rather how could it be 1-2" when you say your forearms are 90 degrees to your upper arms. If I place my arms in the same position, there's a foot between my chest and where I'd hold the bar. But, if it is 1-2", I don't understand how that 1-2" will "strain" you at all?



For the love of God, I am NOT going halfway down, I'm just not touching my chest, sure it would be a 1 inch ROM if I was 5 ft tall and used a powerlifter stance, but I am not. I can touch the bar on my chest, but especially when going heavy I can confortably push the weight up, but I'm feeling like I'm begging for a shoulder injury.
As I've said, the rest of what you've said indicates that you're going half way down (1 foot ROM, arms 90 degrees).

Same for the squats, if you think parallel is half of a squat then you are wrong. Some people do not have super flexibility, I don't see why a perfectly parallel squat can not be considered a valid lift, but that's just me.

I don't think you need to be super flexible to do a proper squat. A parallel squat isn't really a full squat. Without a barbell, people will tend to do a full squat, with a barbell they act differently, I don't know why. I'm pretty sure any one who squats parallel though can actually go further down, but they choose not to because it's harder. A half squat (parallel) adds about 30KG on to what weight I can move. It's basically like thinking you can shoulder press 100KG because you can move it down from lock out to the top of your head, when that's actually the easiest part, getting it from chest is the hardest part.

If you are lucky enough to be that flexible so you can touch your biceps with your forearms when doing dips then good for you, for 90% of the people that's just unnecessary strain and huge risk of injury on their shoulder joint.

You'll injure yourself doing anything in the gym if you're doing it wrong. Again though, it's not really about flexibility, it's to do with it being easy. It's a lot easier to do dips using half of your ROM than it is to do them at full ROM. "I won't do full ROM in case I hurt my self" isn't a reason for not doing full ROM, you may as well not do anything in the gym.
 
Because your rom is more than someone else it should be valid even though it's not a full lift?
The distance travelled is not what is in question here.
Unrack barbell, touch down on chest (no bounce), push back up, rack. Simple ;)

I found concentric bench presses helped me with bench pressing, and they were straight from the chest, after resting the bar on my chest for a few seconds.
 
right so picture one, to see my arm length:
http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/7269/length.jpg
picture 2 shows how my arms would look like at roughly 90 degrees if I were to reach for something. I didn't place the camera in the most brilliant position, so the angles don't look very accurate, but couldn't be bothered to try again. But I guess it's about a foot from my chest.

http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/2958/reachd.jpg
picture 3 shows how I'd look If I were to actually bench press something, you know, tuck shoulder blades in, chest up, etc.

http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/5627/bench1ct.jpg
picture 4 shows the same, but with the palms up so you can see that the bar would be more or less on my chest.

http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/4759/bench2.jpg

It's a bit far off from a foot, don't you think? ;)

You'll injure yourself doing anything in the gym if you're doing it wrong. Again though, it's not really about flexibility, it's to do with it being easy. It's a lot easier to do dips using half of your ROM than it is to do them at full ROM. "I won't do full ROM in case I hurt my self" isn't a reason for not doing full ROM, you may as well not do anything in the gym.

You can get killed by getting ran over by a drunk driver while you're responsibly using a pedestrian crossing, that's not the point now is it?

The point is to evaluate risks compared to benefits. In case of dips, for example there is a significantly higher risk of injury for someone with average flexibility to touch his forearms with his biceps, with next to zero benefit compared to going just parallel. THAT is the point. ;)
 
I'm saying that if your numbers are correct, then there'd be a foot between your chest and the bar at the lowest point. As in, arms at 90 degrees at lowest point (which your pictures show to not be true, in fact your arms at 90 degrees seems to be your claimed starting position.

Your arms are clearly not short, but I don't believe that you de-rack and lock out with your arms in the position they're in in "reachd". It's still not a full ROM. If your ROM is 1 foot, you're still not doing full ROM. Whether it's on the top or bottom end.

When I de-rack a barbell ready to bench press it, my arms are fully out-stretched, or, locked out. "reachd" isn't locked out.

As for getting ran over, that's still kinda my point, if you're worried about such things, you're best keeping off the streets. There's more chance of you hurting yourself doing squats than doing ROM dips. If you think about it, doing full ROM dips isn't too different from full ROM decline bench presses.
 
When I de-rack a barbell ready to bench press it, my arms are fully out-stretched, or, locked out. "reachd" isn't locked out.

mine are fully extended as well and obviously the bar is higher.
the point of the second picture (reached) was: look, 90 degree angle, a foot between me and the bar, but THAT IS NOT a bench press position. That is not full lock, nor how I bench press, that was to show how a foot can be between chest and bar if the benching form would be awful.

picture 3 and 4 show roughly the same angle, it looks distorted by the camera but it is my normal nearly 90 degrees angle finishing position, where the bar is 1-2 inches from my chest.

Morba that's easy to say, my flexibility is actually average, it's just that I don't see any reason for which to go lower than parallel on some exercises.

Shoulder injuries from heavy bench pressing are so common that I don't see why I should put extra unnecessary strain on my shoulder joint when benching/doing dips if there's no benefit in doing so.
I can get stronger, bigger etc by just doing dips and squats up to parallel and maintaining good form and slow negatives, I don't see the reason for "do them full or stay out of the gym".
I can go all the way so I can brag about it on the internet and risk spending 3 months with no training and just recovering from an injury? I'll pass that, thank you.
 
mine are fully extended as well and obviously the bar is higher.
the point of the second picture (reached) was: look, 90 degree angle, a foot between me and the bar, but THAT IS NOT a bench press position. That is not full lock, nor how I bench press, that was to show how a foot can be between chest and bar if the benching form would be awful.
Hey, you said you bring it down until your arms are 90 degrees, the second image shows your arms at 90 degrees, you implied this was your starting position. If you had a bar in your hands, there'd be about a foot between your chest and the bar. You say that's not your start position, therefore your ROM isn't 1 foot, it's more 2.

picture 3 and 4 show roughly the same angle, it looks distorted by the camera but it is my normal nearly 90 degrees angle finishing position, where the bar is 1-2 inches from my chest.
Huh? 3 and 4 are the same angle as 2? No they aren't. :confused: What you've shown is that there's about a foot worth of movement from image 2, to image 4, you've said you don't bench press in the position you show in image 2, so if you were locked out, you'd have a 2 foot ROM from lock out to chest.[/quote]

Morba that's easy to say, my flexibility is actually average, it's just that I don't see any reason for which to go lower than parallel on some exercises.
If your flexibility is average, then you wouldn't think a full ROM dip was "excessive strain".

Shoulder injuries from heavy bench pressing are so common that I don't see why I should put extra unnecessary strain on my shoulder joint when benching/doing dips if there's no benefit in doing so.
Injuries from simply going the gym are common.

I can get stronger, bigger etc by just doing dips and squats up to parallel and maintaining good form and slow negatives, I don't see the reason for "do them full or stay out of the gym".
I can go all the way so I can brag about it on the internet and risk spending 3 months with no training and just recovering from an injury? I'll pass that, thank you.

Reduced range of motion and half squats equate to less muscle activation. You will get more benefit from full ROM than half ROM. It's not about "bragging" it's about doing it properly. People will reduce their ROM if it means they can do more weight. As I said, if I do a half squat (parallel) I can do more than 140KG. If I wanted to brag, I'd do half squats and claim I could squat 170KG.
 
Huh? 3 and 4 are the same angle as 2? No they aren't.

yes, they actually are very close.The camera angle distorts it a bit, but my point was that if I were to place myself in a proper bench position (as in chest up, shoulder blades tucked in) the ROM would be reduced a lot. Picture 3 and 4 show how I finish benching, it was to prove that I don't end up with the bar a foot away from my chest. :p

Guys, it's a good conversation, but worthy of it's own thread ;)

Oh and a parallel squat is not a half squat :p

true and true, I've got nothing to add.
 
Hey Freefaller!

Can you put me down for a 67.5KG Standing Press please.

Sure it's a pitiful amount but rehab is going sloooooooow since I nearly tore my tendon.

I'm still barely able to walk or move my arms since Monday's Leg day and Tuesday's Chest/Tri's. No Deadlifting or Pressing for me for a while again. :(
 
Because your rom is more than someone else it should be valid even though it's not a full lift?
The distance travelled is not what is in question here.
Unrack barbell, touch down on chest (no bounce), push back up, rack. Simple ;)

End of argument really.

Irrespective of arm length, etc... if the bar doesn't touch your chest, for powerlifting it doesn't count as a lift.

For regular training and ROM - that's a whole separate debate. :)

then you need to consider improving your flexibility

That would be worth addressing. :)
 
A while since my last update, but I've upped my squats and deadlifts.

Bench: 115
Deadlift: 162
Squat: 152

Still weighing in at 85kg!

I'd like to be added.

100KG Bench

140KG Squat

150KG Deadlift

130KG Body weight (a fair amount of chub :p)

Had a little powerlifting competition last night at our club (three lifts at each)

Got a PB in every lift :D All lifts were judged by a former competing powerlifter

Weighted in at 78kg

Squat: 150kg
Bench: 100kg
Deadlift: 205kg (B)

5 months training I'm sitting at

140k Bench
200k dead lift
110k squat - I have to be careful with squat due to a knee injury...

These lifts are actually bad seeing how I weight 140k lol.

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Bench Press: 75kg
Deadlift: 115kg
Squat: 140kg

6'3 @ 90kg body weight. Give me 6 months and I'll have my deadlift equalling my squat.

Bench: 90kg
Squat: 140kg
Dead: 135kg
Total: 365kg

BW:90kg

Updating now - let me know if I've missed anyone out.
 
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