Oh yea, I almost forgot, thanks to both MrLol for the ride in his Vectra VXR and to Confused for the ride in his Legnum VR4 and thanks to Invader for organising everything
The Vectra can really move I'll give it that, and has very good seats, with all it's active suspension trickery on, it did not seem to understeer as badly as the press made out at all, it did seem to have a very, 'sledge hammer' feel to it from where I was sitting compared to my own ST220 though, very American actually.
The Legnum was more surprising though as the Vectra is more powerful and was only 2 up when I went for a ride in it, the Legnum however was 4 up and to me, felt faster, it just seemed to pull with a vengeance right across the rev range to ..well ...you know, naughty speeds!
For the price paid the VR4 is a hell of a car, still, the running costs of it are no small thing, a service every 4500 miles
...has more fluids in it than the Aegean, all of them expensive, from what Confused said, if you are going to buy one, you better be ware of the steep running costs. Fuel consumption is about the same as mine though. It's a 12 year old Japanese family estate car, and it goes like a greased weasel up a drain pipe. It's road holding and cornering ability is pretty astounding, and Confused wasn't even pushing it hard, I could feel it from the passenger seat though to a degree, it had so much grip. Quick car!