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OcUK RX6500XT review thread

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3050 is rubbish at mining, other than ETH , the 6500xt is similar for mining

The ones sold to retail yes.
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AMD's Gross Margin for their entire operation is 50%, after operations costs its 25%.

Nvidia are at 67%, post operations costs unknown. even Intel's Gross Margins are only 53%.

As usual the tech press get it wrong.
 
Who says the gpu HAVE to give you an upgrade with every release?

We do, we expect progression. Your may be happy to buy new products that are inferior to previous ones but the majority of sensible consumers are not. These companies are able to operate because we buy their products, ergo we have a right to place expectation on the products they produce.
 
I've got a 6500xt and I'm of 2 minds on the settings thing.
On the one hand if you tune the settings you really can get good performance out of it.
And i suspect that if you compared it to say the 3050, with the settings tuned for the 6500xt you would probably get to within 20ish % across the board, which makes it decent price to performance even compared to the 3050s MSRP. Which is great. But if you Don't tune it, or tune your settings to get the most out of the 3050, the 6500xts performance can just fall off a cliff. And I don't blame reviewers for running the card through their normal tests and noting that it just can't compete in that circumstance.
I am a little disappointed in a lot of reviewers for not kind of talking through it a bit more though. Its good to highlight the disadvantages. Reviewers should be picking at every failing of every card to make sure consumers know about them. But They should really also point out that you can get around them.

I've got mine on a pcie gen 2 system, and can get 70+ FPS out of halo infinite multiplayer at a mix of low and medium settings... Its fine. but If i didn't know to tune it and had just stuck it in and gone with default settings I would have been really disappointed
 
This is my point, people's "expectations", yes, its a side grade, yes its 2022, yes, you can buy used, and so on ad nauseum. Who says the gpu HAVE to give you an upgrade with every release? everyone is comparing new stuff to the old stuff and because the natural progression of things generally is to improve, make faster, make cheaper, thats now accepted as the norm. Not anymore until the supply outstrips demand and things return to normal.

And I don't have to justify my purchase to you or anyone else, thank you very much. I only bought because I could, I had a definite requirement for one, and I was curious to make up my own mind, not being dictated to by the status quo (aka tech reviewers, etc)

The good news is that their sales policy as of 2021-2022 is not sustainable. It is the progress that drives the sales.
Imagine that the progress stalls at the RX 5500/6500 XT level of performance and we never see anything faster by that tier.
At some point, there will be no new buyers simply because the demand will be depleted.

Given the shortage of manufacturing capacity, component costs, the increase of shipping costs..... there is no doubt in my mind it costs more now to make a GPU than it did in 2018, a lot more.

Is there any scientific article with concrete numbers and comparisons which proves your statement?
 
Is there any scientific article with concrete numbers and comparisons which proves your statement?

You shouldn't need me to hold your hand. Engage your own brain and get the required information from your environment.
 
The good news is that their sales policy as of 2021-2022 is not sustainable. It is the progress that drives the sales.
Imagine that the progress stalls at the RX 5500/6500 XT level of performance and we never see anything faster by that tier.
At some point, there will be no new buyers simply because the demand will be depleted

2 years of everything selling out disagrees with you on sustainability
 
2 years of everything selling out disagrees with you on sustainability

Maybe these 2 years are a short period. Wait for another couple of years and meanwhile don't release anything new. See what happens with the sales..

Here the people who can buy the current RX 6500 XT are people coming from even lower performance levels!
 
I think we may have to accept that were in an era of diminishing improvement returns with new GPUs. In previous years we could expect about a 50% improvement for a given card tier with each new project generation.

The reality is, at this 1080p / 1440p ish, £200 MSRP ish level, there's only been around a 40-60% ish improvement in the last 3 or so product generations.

The reality is, if this keeps up, is that gamers will need to upgrade less frequently.

In my view the pursuit of very high resolutions or frame rates is holding back gaming development. Imagine if the graphical power of Xbox Series X, PS5 and the top level PC GPUs were being targeted at 1080p or 1440p gaming rather than 4k. We might see some truly extraordinary game graphics. How many are playing on 4k where this power is being wasted as seeing the difference is simply beyond the natural visual acuity of many gamers for the distance they sit from their screens?
 
Maybe these 2 years are a short period. Wait for another couple of years and meanwhile don't release anything new. See what happens with the sales..

Here the people who can buy the current RX 6500 XT are people coming from even lower performance levels!
Capitalism says hello. 2 more years of nothing new will mean the same tiers and performance snd thus sales
 
I think we may have to accept that were in an era of diminishing improvement returns with new GPUs. In previous years we could expect about a 50% improvement for a given card tier with each new project generation.

The reality is, at this 1080p / 1440p ish, £200 MSRP ish level, there's only been around a 40-60% ish improvement in the last 3 or so product generations.

The reality is, if this keeps up, is that gamers will need to upgrade less frequently.

In my view the pursuit of very high resolutions or frame rates is holding back gaming development. Imagine if the graphical power of Xbox Series X, PS5 and the top level PC GPUs were being targeted at 1080p or 1440p gaming rather than 4k. We might see some truly extraordinary game graphics. How many are playing on 4k where this power is being wasted as seeing the difference is simply beyond the natural visual acuity of many gamers for the distance they sit from their screens?

Rumours are with MCM AMD's 7900XT will be 2.2X the performance of the 6900XT

Nvidia are rumoured to have a 1.8X increase in performance with a massive 500 watt GPU.

If that is true we are set to get the biggest performance increase we have seen in a very long time, but, expect pricing to ratchet up, the 7900XT will be $2000.
 
You shouldn't need me to hold your hand. Engage your own brain and get the required information from your environment.

But I challenged you because there is no proof for your statement.
What actually is seen, at least until recently, there was zero offers for many models.
Someone in the supply chain takes the cards and they vanish.

It's shenanigans in the supply chain.

Now, there are many offers on sale, but I guess the sales are quite mediocre.

And FIY, I can buy the 12 GB Radeon RX 6700 XT and call it a day. But won't because of principles.

Buy an RTX 3050, only £400.

Nvidia and Hardware Unboxed approve this message.

:cry: :rolleyes:
 
The other thing is fake MSRP's, $250 for the 3050 sounds positively reasonable, tech journalist believe it, because they are idiots, 3 days later they are all gone, where? directly to crypto miners at double the MSRP, tech journalists clap and cheer like demented seals.
More likely to have been low-end buyers (there was a lot of pent-up demand) and scalpers. The scalpers might get burned but who knows?
 
More likely to have been low-end buyers (there was a lot of pent-up demand) and scalpers. The scalpers might get burned but who knows?

Scalping is cancer.

Seen a couple of those 6500XT Gibbo deals sold here for £180 appear on Fleabay with huge mark-ups, they are still there with somewhat less of a mark-up :cry:

I hope AMD keep making these because despite how we may feel about them they have a very desirable effect in that they pull down the price of similar performance used cards.

This is another thing the idiots on Youtube failed to grasp while telling their audience to pay up to $450 for the RTX 3050.

Is this bothering you yet Steve Walton? try to do something about it, i dare you.
 
We do, we expect progression. Your may be happy to buy new products that are inferior to previous ones but the majority of sensible consumers are not. These companies are able to operate because we buy their products, ergo we have a right to place expectation on the products they produce.

And there lies the problem, you "expect", you want, you "deserve", its your "birth right" etc, Two and a bit years ago, it was the norm to get a decent performance increase for decent prices. Not now, and for the foreseeable future. You'll get what you're given by Nvidia, amd and later on, Intel and be grateful (thats their attitude, not mine)! not least until the Crypto Merge happens and even then, I'm very doubtful about the numbers of used gpus hitting the second hand market. None of those manufacturers are here to "give you what you expect", they're here to make as much money off you as possible and the current gpu landscape is allowing them to do just that. You want expected progress?, then everyone , and I mean everyone, needs to stop buying gpus, full stop for the foreseeable future. That way they'll get the message, and bring out products with much more benign attitude, ie: cheaper than normal.

Now, going back to the 6500xt, that card is a result of the situation we're all in atm. Is it a dog? yes, is it castrated, yes, all those things and more. Its also a card you can buy , brand new, with warranty, for under £200. Does it game at 1080p? yes, but with severe restrictions in some cases, so what? Its in stock right now and someone who is looking for a cheap gpu to play his games on, now has an option other than going used. Its better than nowt or paying £400 and up for a non existent Nvidia card thats supposedly its competitor, the 3050. If I could get one cheap enough, personally, I'd rather have a 1650super, better card all round, no so sure about the vanilla 1650 though
 
And there lies the problem, you "expect", you want, you "deserve", its your "birth right" etc, Two and a bit years ago, it was the norm to get a decent performance increase for decent prices. Not now, and for the foreseeable future. You'll get what you're given by Nvidia, amd and later on, Intel and be grateful (thats their attitude, not mine)! not least until the Crypto Merge happens and even then, I'm very doubtful about the numbers of used gpus hitting the second hand market. None of those manufacturers are here to "give you what you expect", they're here to make as much money off you as possible and the current gpu landscape is allowing them to do just that. You want expected progress?, then everyone , and I mean everyone, needs to stop buying gpus, full stop for the foreseeable future. That way they'll get the message, and bring out products with much more benign attitude, ie: cheaper than normal.

Now, going back to the 6500xt, that card is a result of the situation we're all in atm. Is it a dog? yes, is it castrated, yes, all those things and more. Its also a card you can buy , brand new, with warranty, for under £200. Does it game at 1080p? yes, but with severe restrictions in some cases, so what? Its in stock right now and someone who is looking for a cheap gpu to play his games on, now has an option other than going used. Its better than nowt or paying £400 and up for a non existent Nvidia card thats supposedly its competitor, the 3050. If I could get one cheap enough, personally, I'd rather have a 1650super, better card all round, no so sure about the vanilla 1650 though

We have gotten the increase in performance for the most part as they know they need to give it, it would be fair to say 3060 missed the mark (by 5-10%) and 3050 (by 10-15%) but anything over that has been a nice increase in price/performance at MSRP, same on AMD side with 6600XT and above, although AMD bumped their prices up over last gen which reduced the relative p/p gains at MSRP.

There is no excuse for the 6500XT, it's a 6400 marketed as is it to make it sound better, which is enough to dupe the layman. A 40-50% performance difference (on medium settings) between 6500XT and 6600.. shady cash grab.
 
We have gotten the increase in performance for the most part as they know they need to give it, it would be fair to say 3060 missed the mark (by 5-10%) and 3050 (by 10-15%) but anything over that has been a nice increase in price/performance at MSRP, same on AMD side with 6600XT and above, although AMD bumped their prices up over last gen which reduced the relative p/p gains at MSRP.

There is no excuse for the 6500XT, it's a 6400 marketed as is it to make it sound better, which is enough to dupe the layman. A 40-50% performance difference (on medium settings) between 6500XT and 6600.. shady cash grab.

At least anyone can buy it if they're desperate enough, unlike the 1650super (it's direct competitor performance wise and 3050 which is conspicuous by it's absence
 
Rumours are with MCM AMD's 7900XT will be 2.2X the performance of the 6900XT

Nvidia are rumoured to have a 1.8X increase in performance with a massive 500 watt GPU.

If that is true we are set to get the biggest performance increase we have seen in a very long time, but, expect pricing to ratchet up, the 7900XT will be $2000.
We'll most likely get the usual 35% gains and 50% if we're lucky although I expect the prices will rise by around 50% so price to performance will go backwards again or at best stay the same.

Its even worse lower down the stack when you look at AIB pricing we have had hardly any price performance improvement in the last 5 years now.
 
RX 6400 sounds like it might fill a clear gap in the market. I hope the rumours of it being mainly OEM only aren't true.

And IMO nVIDIA should also release an RTX 2030 or equivalent and bring an end to the GTX series. It would probably be pretty useless for ray-tracing, but DLSS at the lower end would be nice to have
 
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