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OcUK Ryzen 2000 series review thread
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I will post any reviews I come across good or bad. Its a review thread.
Soldato
I think you totally missed the point of his video, as it was a culmination of several to find out what value older X58 based systems (DDR3 also) using a Xeon offer against a comparably priced newer system with other features. He specialises in used builds, cheaper gaming, and showing that not having the newest isn't the end of the world. I hardly call him biased, other than towards what is best/cheapest, and do you think comparing a R5 2600 on a B350, vs a i5-8400 on an H370 board an unfair comparison? If you do then I find that a bit weird since the cost practically the same, there is nowhere near a £70 gap, between i5-8400/H370 and R5-2600/B350, if you can show me other wise I'll give you a gold star. His methods are not the most scientific, and he doesn't hide the fact he prefers the hustle for second hand rather than spunking over loads of cash for the newest tech.
Settled on 4.3 all core overclock @1.38v LLC3 on my 2700x. Ram is running at 3400mhz 14-14-14-14-22-36
Moved over from a [email protected]. Tbh in gaming there isn't a massive difference in performance at 1440p, slight boost in minimums and average fps (around 5fps). Obviously big improvement in productivity.
Moved over from a [email protected]. Tbh in gaming there isn't a massive difference in performance at 1440p, slight boost in minimums and average fps (around 5fps). Obviously big improvement in productivity.
Caporegime
His benchmarks are complete junk, for example "GTA V, Normal settings, Sidewalk, 30 Seconds" doing that if you clock a Celeron to 4.5Ghz you get the same result and he knows it, its why he did it.
He is one of these reviewers who deliberately produce click bait slides, where he overclocks the bolts off older Intel CPU's and then makes sure there isn't any stress on that CPU so it can keep the high frame rates that he can put on a slide and say "look old Intel CPU win trollolololol" like those #### holes who stand looking at a wall so they can say things like that about Pentium G series CPU's.
I mean, going by your description of his channel he wouldn't have an audience if he'd said "actually when push comes to shove older CPU's can't keep pace with newer ones" so he makes sure it never even gets to push.
I had a Nehalem i7 and when push came to shove the 4690K replacing it was way faster, the Ryzen 1600 way faster again.
His review is a nonsense.
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Soldato
What has any of that got to do with my comment? I didn't say you should trust his outcomes, only that the person who posted the link completely missed the point, and then went on to say there was a £70 price disparity when in fact there is not.
Caporegime
That's not why i quoted you, you took out everything i said when quoting me, the reason i quoted you is in what you took out.
Soldato
I quoted the first line, for the sake of not posting all of the now edited text. You just love to argue, and argue, if someone doesn't agree with your outcome, right? All I pointed out was the fact his comparison, wasn't claiming to be the best of the best, and confirming that there wasn't a £70 price difference, but you've decided to just ramble about his benchmarks, which I said weren't scientific in my first post.
His review may be non-sense, but if you are one of those people on aging platform like X58, and have an older GPU also, then spending £160, on a CPU, £75 on a motherboard, an anywhere between £70-160 on RAM, isn't going to get you the same percentage increase as buying a better graphics card. If you were to spend that £305-395, coming from an X58, to a Ryzen/Coffee system, then be left with a smaller budget for the graphics, so you end up with lets say a GTX 1060 6GB, instead of a GTX 1080, wouldn't a GTX 1080 give you more benefit if your primary purpose is playing games? Obviously you are either going to not answer the question, or go off topic, to avoid it. As we all know that unless you flush with cash, and don't care about value for money then it's nice to see people still trying to compare old 6c/12t vs. the new entrants.
Caporegime
WTF is wrong with this forum? Delete plz
Caporegime
I don't believe this.... i made a whole post and after posting it it appeared twice, so i replaced one of them with that ^^^^ the page apparently refreshed with one still there, i went back a page to look at something, then clicked back onto this page and both replies had gone....
Another thing that keeps happening is relies that i write out but then remove before posting to reformat then get posted anyway along with what i actually replaced the text with.
This forum has some sort of caching enabled and its becoming a pain. i'll write my reply again later....
Caporegime
I'm not going to react to the virtue signaling the very wording of it is hypocrisy.
I completely agree with the notion that there can be more value in upgrading ones GPU rather than ones CPU, however when making such advice one needs to test this properly, TechYesCiti doesn't even get close to that.
For arguments sake assuming that like most people i have to take what he says as fact because i don't know any better.... Using his methods he might convince me that there is no value in upgrading from my 4690K to a Ryzen 1600, In fact by walking down the road for 30 seconds in GTA V he would have convinced me because that's nothing like a test that would have shown up differences between these CPU's.
As it happens i did upgrade from a 4690K to a Ryzen 1600 and the difference in experience is sometimes profound, for example removing stuttering because the 4690K was not enough CPU to drive the GTX 1070 and was working too hard.
TechYesCiti benchmarks would never get anywhere near portraying those facts, they would in fact show the 4690K to be at least as good as the Ryzen 1600.
This is where and why i have a problem with Reviewers like him, nothing wrong with the message, its how he gets to his results so he can make that message and with that have a purpose, its click bait of the worst kind, its misleading for clicks, for views... for revenues sake.
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Soldato
How is that a fair comparison, going for 4c/4t to 6c/12t? We are talking like for like core/threads, with the difference being solely IPC gains, architectural differences? you for one are constantly banging on about how 4c/4t is no good these days, but if you've already had 6c/12t for the last 8+ years then, there is going to be a much smaller benefit, so please don't try and compare your old system to a modern one, as that is pointless.
Caporegime
Now you're not making any sense at all, you're upset with me for comparing an older CPU to a newer one and yet defend TechYesCity for doing exactly that.
If you want to test for IPC and architectural differences the setting up your benchmark in such a way where the CPU is being utilized as little as possible its completely defeating the objective, don't you think?
Soldato
6 core showdown, was that not the title? How is comparing your experience with a 4c/4t CPU vs. a 6c/12t CPU at all relevant? Also I beg you to actually show me how in any terms he made the older CPU look better in any of the CPU tests that were not gaming based, it shows that the older CPU is slower in some, similar in others, and that given the fact that it is now in computing terms almost ancient doing pretty well. I also find it funny, since they guy makes no effort to say either platform is better or worse, or that the older one is better that the newer one, simply that there is still life in the old dog, rather than spending loads of dosh on newer parts, if you don't have to, or prefer to try and eek some life out of a system that there is nothing wrong with.
You getting frustrated, trying to put words into my mouth? I didn't defend anyone or anything in the video at all whatsoever, merely pointed out the relevant comparison that is old 6c/12t vs the newer ones. Please quote me exactly where I defended the accuracy of the data, or the integrity of the channel. We all know you hate Youtube reviewers and that you could do a much better job than anyone and everyone on the internet, since you the greatest person on the planet bar none.
I can only assume you chose to ignore the title of the video, being 6 core showdown, or just missed it and decided that me correcting chrcoluk was me somehow having a go at you, when I was merely pointing out that the video doesn't hide what it is about "The ULTIMATE 6 Core SHOWDOWN - i5-8400 Vs. Ryzen 5 2600X Vs. X5675" he doesn't attempt to disguise the CPU's being tested at all, anywhere whatsoever, at anytime, or in any way shape or form, the title tells you what is in the video, so why the heck would chrcoluk think it would have an 8700K in there, and even more so what the hell would a price difference make, comparing 8 year old hardware with new mid range gear.
To sum up, this isn't about you, believe it or not, and you don't need to get involved any further.
Caporegime
6 core showdown, was that not the title? How is comparing your experience with a 4c/4t CPU vs. a 6c/12t CPU at all relevant? Also I beg you to actually show me how in any terms he made the older CPU look better in any of the CPU tests that were not gaming based, it shows that the older CPU is slower in some, similar in others, and that given the fact that it is now in computing terms almost ancient doing pretty well. I also find it funny, since they guy makes no effort to say either platform is better or worse, or that the older one is better that the newer one, simply that there is still life in the old dog, rather than spending loads of dosh on newer parts, if you don't have to, or prefer to try and eek some life out of a system that there is nothing wrong with.
You getting frustrated, trying to put words into my mouth? I didn't defend anyone or anything in the video at all whatsoever, merely pointed out the relevant comparison that is old 6c/12t vs the newer ones. Please quote me exactly where I defended the accuracy of the data, or the integrity of the channel. We all know you hate Youtube reviewers and that you could do a much better job than anyone and everyone on the internet, since you the greatest person on the planet bar none.
I can only assume you chose to ignore the title of the video, being 6 core showdown, or just missed it and decided that me correcting chrcoluk was me somehow having a go at you, when I was merely pointing out that the video doesn't hide what it is about "The ULTIMATE 6 Core SHOWDOWN - i5-8400 Vs. Ryzen 5 2600X Vs. X5675" he doesn't attempt to disguise the CPU's being tested at all, anywhere whatsoever, at anytime, or in any way shape or form, the title tells you what is in the video, so why the heck would chrcoluk think it would have an 8700K in there, and even more so what the hell would a price difference make, comparing 8 year old hardware with new mid range gear.
To sum up, this isn't about you, believe it or not, and you don't need to get involved any further.
You getting frustrated, trying to put words into my mouth? I didn't defend anyone or anything in the video at all whatsoever, merely pointed out the relevant comparison that is old 6c/12t vs the newer ones. Please quote me exactly where I defended the accuracy of the data, or the integrity of the channel. We all know you hate Youtube reviewers and that you could do a much better job than anyone and everyone on the internet, since you the greatest person on the planet bar none.
Quoted for irony, there is actual anger in that sentence ^^^^^
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Anyway, you're going off on a tangent, he explained his methodology, i even quoted it and with that was of the opinion he did not adequately stress the CPU's to draw any conclusion at all.
I have explained this 3 times now, this is all there is to it and no amount of you conflating that or making it about personalities makes any difference to what i actually did, its only you who have spent this debate leveraging hyperbolic accusations against me, perhaps take some of your own advice. dear...... Sorry i couldn't resist that
Caporegime
sorry....
Soldato
Quoted for irony, there is actual anger in that sentence ^^^^^
The fact you find anger in text worries me, merely pointing out that you feel you are always right, and hypocrisy is your forte since you force more threads off topic that anyone else in the CPU forum full stop. As for using the deliberately exaggerated accusations to my advantage, I took it from your play book mate/dear/pet/petal/duck/bab etc.
So getting back on topic, the X5675, OC'd really is still a great system, and still holding up well after all these years.
Caporegime
Sense of humor Error ^^^ Take it as read, lets move on....
Soldato
Trying for the ninja edit?