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OcUK's Guarenteed to Overclock Processors are back

From what I've seen, CoreTemp can sometimes decide that the TJunction for Q6600 G0s is 85C, when it is 100C. I'm not sure if it's been updated in a later version, but it came up in a conversation about two weeks ago - someone was getting stupidly low temperatures :)
 
Bit of a lame idea imo.

The whole idea of overclocking is getting more than your money's worth.

You buy a chip, it overclocks like the dogs, you have benefitted.

You buy a chip, and it doesn't overclock well, you still get what you paid for.

Now, the chance of benefitting is outweighed by the more overclockable chips costing more.
 
nlel1975 said:
Lets put it this way I`m using stock heatsink/cooler becuase I only or rather *can* only run at 3ghz this is @ 1.31v REAL. My load temps are 78C which seems really high but is actually not too bad.

Now factor in that an Artic Freezer 7 Pro knocks max of 15C off CPU temp that would bring my load temps @ 1.31v down to 63 which is really good.

When I put the voltage up to 1.44v/1.46v REAL to test for stability at 3.30ghz (and it wasn't stable) the temps went up to 98C under load, knock off 15C for a Freezer 7 Pro and your at 83C which is still quite high and only at 1.44v/1.46v.

Now add the extra heat generated by running at 1.5v probably an extra 5 - 10C and your at 88 - 93C which is very high.

Now these aren't exact figures but if we use them to give us an idea, how do you fancy running your Q6600 @ 88 - 93C with a Freezer 7 Pro in order to meet the "guaranteed" 3.3ghz speed.

This is of course only if you got unlucky and got a bad CPU like mine, but it doesn't really seem fair when others would be getting the same speed at much lower volts/temps.
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I agree - at 3.3Ghz with 1.5v through it, I can't imagine temps staying as low as they say they will. I would never ever put that much through my chip anyway
 
Tuvoc said:
I agree - at 3.3Ghz with 1.5v through it, I can't imagine temps staying as low as they say they will. I would never ever put that much through my chip anyway
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They state that with the Intel Stock Heatsink/fan and 1.45v or less your load temps should not exceed 65C, I find this very hard to believe as I run mine at only 1.31v 3ghz with the stock Heatsink/fan and it gets to 78C - there is nothing wrong with the installation of my Heatsink/Fan.

Yes I have a high VID chip which needs more voltage to be stable @ 2.4ghz but if they are guaranteeing that every chip will be able to do 3.3ghz at the load temps they quote then they are contradicting themselves when they say "you may need up to 1.50v maximum".

Therefore I think that if you do get a bad chip like mine that does need 1.50v to get anywhere near 3.3ghz stable at temps in the region of 88 - 93c even with a Freezer 7 Pro they will honour a return for a (hopefully) better chip which does 3.3ghz at much lower volts/temps without insisting you should apply 1.50v volts through it.

What if you only buy a guaranteed to 3ghz chip and get one like mine which does do 3ghz on stock cooling but at 78C, will they allow you to return it becuase it does it at a much higher temp then they quote on stock cooling (60c) or will they then suggest that you should buy a uprated cooler to keep the temps down (which is more likely).

If they allow you to return any chip becuase you are not happy with it then you might as well buy the guaranteed to 3ghz chip and return them untill you get one that does at least 3.3ghz at reasonable volts/temps.
 
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nlel1975 said:
They state that with the Intel Stock Heatsink/fan and 1.45v or less your load temps should not exceed 65C, I find this very hard to believe as I run mine at only 1.31v 3ghz with the stock Heatsink/fan and it gets to 78C - there is nothing wrong with the installation of my Heatsink/Fan.

Yes I have a high VID chip which needs more voltage to be stable @ 2.4ghz but if they are guaranteeing that every chip will be able to do 3.3ghz at the load temps they quote then they are contradicting themselves when they say "you may need up to 1.50v maximum".

Therefore I think that if you do get a bad chip like mine that does need 1.50v to get anywhere near 3.3ghz stable at temps in the region of 88 - 93c even with a Freezer 7 Pro they will honour a return for a (hopefully) better chip which does 3.3ghz at much lower volts/temps without insisting you should apply 1.50v volts through it.

What if you only buy a guaranteed to 3ghz chip and get one like mine which does do 3ghz on stock cooling but at 78C, will they allow you to return it becuase it does it at a much higher temp then they quote on stock cooling (60c) or will they then suggest that you should buy a uprated cooler to keep the temps down (which is more likely).

If they allow you to return any chip becuase you are not happy with it then you might as well buy the guaranteed to 3ghz chip and return them untill you get one that does at least 3.3ghz at reasonable volts/temps.
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they know which chips overclock better so there is no real reason for them to give random chips out.....giving the better chips to those who pay the extra will make sure they get 0 returns.

ofcourse the above is not true but i just felt like typing it.
 
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and then all the rest will be of higher chance of being poorer oc'lockers ie higher VIDS

puts me off both buying these OC guaranteed ones, and now their Standards ones too !
 
Buckster said:
and then all the rest will be of higher chance of being poorer oc'lockers ie higher VIDS

puts me off both buying these OC guaranteed ones, and now their Standards ones too !
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Like memory said what he wrote ain't true he just felt like typing it, certainly ocUK would prefer people to believe that the guaranteed chips are from a better batch of chips, that way they are more likely to spend the extra on a "guaranteed" chip and they make more profit.

I don't know the ins and outs of how ocUK acquire there chips, do they purchase them in known good batches or do they just recieve stock at random like the others do.

Certainly ocUK would prefer people to believe they only buy the best batches in which case one would have even less chance of getting a bad chip by buying non-guaranteed.
 
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sorry to bring this thread back to light but just been on cpu section and noticed this


Intel Core 2 DUO E6750 2.66GHz Guaranteed to run at 3.20GHZ (1600FSB) - Retail

Dual Core Technology, 2.66GHz guaranteed too 3.20GHz clock speed, 4MB L2 Cache, Intel Speedstep Technology, EM64T 64-Bit Technology, Execute Disable Bit. 3yr Warranty.
Intel Out of Stock £109.99
(£129.24)

and

Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 "LGA775 Conroe" 2.66GHz (1333FSB) - Retail

Dual Core Technology, 2.66GHz clock speed, 4MB L2 Cache, Intel Speedstep Technology, EM64T 64-Bit Technology, Execute Disable Bit. 3yr Warranty.
Intel 10+ in stock £87.99
(£103.39)

so much for not speed bining...
 
And similarly, how come the stock retail and '3GHz' retail Q6600 are in stock, but the '3.3GHz' retail Q6600 is out of stock? Not saying that I don't believe Gibbo obviously, but this seems strange. Surely if one is in stock then they're all in stock..

Simon
 
If you had 10 chips and could sell them at £109.99 each or £87.99 each, which one would you go for? ;) It's called commerce :D

(Although, to be fair to OcUK, given the automated nature of the website I'm pretty sure it's just down to the fact that the stock taking software sees them as 2 distinct products and it requires human intervention to move the stock around.)
 
I think this is a terrible move from OCUK as I now have doubt in buying any CPU model which has other entries as the "Guaranteed" models. What I'm really bothered about is if I go and buy a Q6600 that is not guaranteed to run anything and it doesn't overclock as well as the majority I'd be totally outraged and would be forced to shop elsewhere for my CPU's. So I think OCUK are doing this the wrong way. They should be cherry picking the really good clockers 3.6Ghz+ and maybe put a premium on those but then it would take away the luck in getting a good batch which is not a good thing at all. Not use 3Ghz, 3.2Ghz or 3.3Ghz which I rarely see any of these quads unable to do. This just makes buying the normal CPU's a worry and you shouldn't be thinking if the CPU you bought that is not guaranteed to run anything is a bad clocker or is not even capable of 3Ghz because OCUK have seen the batch number and put it into the dummy pile.

I know that some of the mods can overclock very well and would be able to test the supremo 3.6Ghz+ CPU's. Also the team that are clocking to the Guaranteed speeds can surely manage another 400Mhz?. CPU's at these speeds costing a little extra than the stock ones is a little more merited than the 3Ghz-3.2Ghz premium price. I really don't want to see any guaranteed CPU's as it makes buying a worry but if it was something you won't change then go for something more special than 3.2Ghz.

Hopefully Gibbo or someone else from OCUK can post here and put our minds at ease?. I could have sent an email or webnote but I think we all deserve to know the process of this scheme as we are the customers also and when we help people out and suggest for them to buy things it's from OCUK 95% of the time. So please OCUK team, could you try to help me put my doubts behind me regarding the CPU's?.
 
If you're really that worried about it do a search and you will find Gibbo's response. Basically - as previously stated - there is NO CHERRYPICKING - ALL of the Q6600s are capable of achieving the 'guaranteed' clocks so it is a marketing ploy, not a hardware sieve. I understand your fear, this is something that really causes problems in the LCD market when shops offer 100% pixel checks - in that case you can bet you know where the 'failed' ones end up.

But that is not the case here - they don't test, they don't cherry pick and they don't even select based on vid.

So have no fear - buy a Q6600 'SLACR' and rest assured that it will clock nicely - just don't fall for the marketing ploy ;)
 
cavemanoc said:
If you're really that worried about it do a search and you will find Gibbo's response. Basically - as previously stated - there is NO CHERRYPICKING - ALL of the Q6600s are capable of achieving the 'guaranteed' clocks so it is a marketing ploy, not a hardware sieve. I understand your fear, this is something that really causes problems in the LCD market when shops offer 100% pixel checks - in that case you can bet you know where the 'failed' ones end up.

But that is not the case here - they don't test, they don't cherry pick and they don't even select based on vid.

So have no fear - buy a Q6600 'SLACR' and rest assured that it will clock nicely - just don't fall for the marketing ploy ;)
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Thank you for this response. I never did see this post, hence my question.

I'm not in need of a Quad as only 3dmark06 would favour it as I have no trouble running any game but will be moving on up soon just so I can mess around again (overclocking). I just wanted to be sure if I were to buy a CPU that I wasn't doomed to a lower overclock than standard. So thanks again for posting and clearing this up for me :).
 
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