then they should buy higher stocked clocked cpu's, instead of overcloking them.
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OcUK's Guarenteed to Overclock Processors are back
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then they should buy higher stocked clocked cpu's, instead of overcloking them.
That is the whole point of overclocking. Getting more for your money. A £170 or whatever on a 3ghz G6600 is cheaper than £xxx on some Extreme Edition that happens to be near 3ghz out of the box.
mine too- all be it at 1.575V Vcore (bios)
Mark.
Whereas my 1.325 VID @ 3.5ghz fails Prime95 instantly on 2 cores at 1.44v/1.46v REAL 1.55v BIOS.
As I have one of the poorest chips I`m now trying 3.3ghz at these settings which is what ocUK claim they're guaranteed CPU are able to do and I am running at about what voltage ocUK claim you need to do it - although to be fair they do say up to 1.50v may be needed.
If mine can do 3.3ghz at these voltages then I think any chip should be able to do it.
EDIT: Prime95 Small FFTs failed after about 1-2 minutes at 3.3ghz @ 1.44/1.46 REAL I guess it needs up to 1.50v as ocUK say but the temps would be unreasonable
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Yeah but the point is nothing is guaranteed as ocUK don't test the CPUs. If they tested them and sold the ones that do 3ghz with a little extra volts as the guaranteed to 3ghz and the ones that do 3ghz @ stock as the guaranteed to 3.3ghz then all would be well.
As it stands you have exactly the same chance of getting a good overclocker first time by buying a non-guaranteed chip. If I bought a guaranteed to 3.3ghz chip I`d expect to get one that is guaranteed to run at 3.3ghz and that is not the case (unless you consider running 1.50v REAL thru it as acceptable).
Most people who have chips like mine aren't running them at 3.3ghz unless they have water cooling or something, most people who are running at 3.3ghz can also run above 3.3ghz so don't run at 3.3ghz anyway.
The fact is 3.3ghz isn't easily achievable with every single G0 Q6600 in supply and therefore ocUK shouldn't be supplying untested CPUs as guaranteed to 3.3ghz.
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Nothing - except maybe for the 3.3GHz one they have stock of certain steppings that they know generally clock better ? But I doubt even that. At 1.50v 95% of them probably run at 3.3 so the return rate will probably be pretty low. I think they just pick the 3.0 and 3.3 ones off the shelf randomly.
The difference is you can return the 3ghz one if it dosent clock to 3ghz and you can return the 3.3ghz one if it dosent clock to 3.3ghz.
Precisely nothing!!! Except the extra money someone who is conned into believing they are tested shells out for a supposedly better chip. If they are going to do guaranteed chips they should at least test them, it doesn't take long to establish if a chip will do 3ghz @ stock or not.
That seems to be the difference, the ones that do 3ghz @ stock are the best overclockers.
thinking about this further - this would now really put me buying any processor from OCUK now that also has guaranteed chips
as due to no testing - they must cherry pick by "good" batches
therfore if you buy standard ones - you've a much higher chance of a poor one
and if they don't cherry pick by good batches, AND we know they don't test - then its a bit of a farce
so you can loose out both ways !
as due to no testing - they must cherry pick by "good" batches
therfore if you buy standard ones - you've a much higher chance of a poor one
and if they don't cherry pick by good batches, AND we know they don't test - then its a bit of a farce
so you can loose out both ways !
If you had read the thread you would know that no stepping is cherry picked and put in the guaranteed overclock pile.
The motherboard is not likely to be the limiting factor as 3.3ghz only requires an fsb of 367 and all motherboards comparable to the ABIT Pro board they specifically mention will be capable of running a 367mhz fsb.
The vcore they quote is up to 1.50v REAL maximum which is way above an acceptable voltage level to be putting thru a Q6600 GO on any kinda air. The fact is even the 1.45v REAL they quote as a starting point is high.
It seems with these conditions they have a get out clause for 95% of the return requests if they wanted to argue the point. I expect they will honour most return request however if you argue the point strongly enough.
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Anyone done any tests at those volts with the cooler they recommend to see what temps are under full prime load?
Whilst I understand the argument against selling non-tested 'guaranteed' overclockers the point still stands that they are providing a relatively 'safe' method of getting extra performance out of a chip to anyone who does not read these boards or is a first time overclocker.
How many other retailers, who don't operate and fund forums for open discussion, are / will jump onto this idea?
How many other retailers, who don't operate and fund forums for open discussion, are / will jump onto this idea?
Soldato
the word 'gullible' comes to mind
Soldato
if you would just take a look around you would see atleast 1 other who offers the same guarantee and includes the instructions free of charge...all at no extra cost.
Lets put it this way I`m using stock heatsink/cooler becuase I only or rather *can* only run at 3ghz this is @ 1.31v REAL. My load temps are 78C which seems really high but is actually not too bad.
Now factor in that an Artic Freezer 7 Pro knocks max of 15C off CPU temp that would bring my load temps @ 1.31v down to 63 which is really good.
When I put the voltage up to 1.44v/1.46v REAL to test for stability at 3.30ghz (and it wasn't stable) the temps went up to 98C under load, knock off 15C for a Freezer 7 Pro and your at 83C which is still quite high and only at 1.44v/1.46v.
Now add the extra heat generated by running at 1.5v probably an extra 5 - 10C and your at 88 - 93C which is very high.
Now these aren't exact figures but if we use them to give us an idea, how do you fancy running your Q6600 @ 88 - 93C with a Freezer 7 Pro in order to meet the "guaranteed" 3.3ghz speed.
This is of course only if you got unlucky and got a bad CPU like mine, but it doesn't really seem fair when others would be getting the same speed at much lower volts/temps.
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Benefits:
Replacement if chip cannot run at stated overclocked speeds
Problems:
Motherboard may be the overclocking 'bottleneck', not chip
12 month warranty, not 36 month (Intel warranty is voided by overclocking)
Chips not pretested so possiblity of going through several chips
Returned chips which can't hit stated speeds are likely to end up in pre-built systems
More expensive, (£15 - £30), even though 90 to 99% of Q6600 chips will hit 3.3ghz with stated voltages
Threads with suggestions/complaints are deleted
Many buyers will not realise problems caused by high temperatures/voltages, and it doesn't come with the guide.
That's my view
BTW, does the guide warn that Q6600 G0s temperatures are read 15C too low in CoreTemp?
Replacement if chip cannot run at stated overclocked speeds
Problems:
Motherboard may be the overclocking 'bottleneck', not chip
12 month warranty, not 36 month (Intel warranty is voided by overclocking)
Chips not pretested so possiblity of going through several chips
Returned chips which can't hit stated speeds are likely to end up in pre-built systems
More expensive, (£15 - £30), even though 90 to 99% of Q6600 chips will hit 3.3ghz with stated voltages
Threads with suggestions/complaints are deleted
Many buyers will not realise problems caused by high temperatures/voltages, and it doesn't come with the guide.
That's my view
BTW, does the guide warn that Q6600 G0s temperatures are read 15C too low in CoreTemp?
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