***Official 2010 F1 thread***
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My top 5:
1) Button
2) Vettel
3) Barrichello
4) Webber
5) Hamilton
The halfway observant among you might notice that the above list is in championship order. The top five in the championship, in fact. Honourable mentions go to Massa, who surely would have finished higher than he did without getting clobbered by that errant spring, and Kobayashi who was definitely the Rookie Of The Year. Also, it took every fibre of my being to leave Hamilton in the top five given the Melbourne shenanigans - but he's served his penalty, and it'd be wrong to overlook the fact that he did have a much more impressive season overall than his title year in '08. Doesn't mean that I think he or his team deserved to be included in the championship after their stupidity, though. Seriously McLaren - if you're going to cheat at all next year, at least try not to get caught!!!
1) Button
2) Vettel
3) Barrichello
4) Webber
5) Hamilton
The halfway observant among you might notice that the above list is in championship order. The top five in the championship, in fact. Honourable mentions go to Massa, who surely would have finished higher than he did without getting clobbered by that errant spring, and Kobayashi who was definitely the Rookie Of The Year. Also, it took every fibre of my being to leave Hamilton in the top five given the Melbourne shenanigans - but he's served his penalty, and it'd be wrong to overlook the fact that he did have a much more impressive season overall than his title year in '08. Doesn't mean that I think he or his team deserved to be included in the championship after their stupidity, though. Seriously McLaren - if you're going to cheat at all next year, at least try not to get caught!!!
didn't webber have more podiums than kimi? and a win to boot. even though kimi did at spa.
He also had a better car. It's not a list of how many points they scored. That's just the championship. My list is how I think they ranked based on what car they had and what their team mate achieved. Which is why Hamilton is so high.
Kobyashi would be 6th
F1 needs its own sub forum tbh
Thats exactly what I was thinking lol.
Kimi had a car which was no where near that which Webber had. Over the course of the season the RedBull and BrawnGP cars were the best.
IMO this year Kimi has shown what a great driver he actually is and totally justifies his high ranking.
The problem is that when the opportunity to cheat or defend your cheating ways presents itself, they seem to panic and don't plan their excuses/defence.
Maybe they need to employ a team of people specifically employed to come out with a defence or mitigating circumstances, whenever they get caught cheating or lying.
Exactly, they aren't the only team. They just seem crap at making excuses and doing deals with he FIA. hey should get some of the guys from he other teams. Anyone who thinks it's just McLaren is naive.
Thank god, for a second I thought I was the only one that thought he deserved a mention! I hope he has a drive for 2010!! It would be all our loss if he didn't, man that guy is entertaining to watch!
There is no doubt in my mind at all that had massa not got thumped, he would have beaten Kimi over the season, again. Kimi was flattered by monkeys with little time to adjust.
He turned up for half a season, again.
I want the pre-ferrari Kimi to turn up again. 100% commited, not sure it will ever happen
Brawn certainly doesn't think so or he would be snapping him up now. Mind you Brawn never thought so before when ferrari wanted him.
as a yard stick
the Optical Storage & Writing forum has had about 200 posts since the 29th of October
the Brazil GP Thread pulled over 1300 posts on its own.
The abu dhabi Thread ? over 400. The 2010 F1 thread ? over 2000 posts.
It easily makes enough posts to justify its own forum.
It's never going to happen though.
The console players will want a XBox and Playstation Subforum. Sports will want football subsections. Don't think the Dons want so many more sections to keep an eye on - don't really blame them tbh!
Motors will need a "buy a mondeo or a 3 series" sub forum
Agreed it would be nice to have a wider spread of motorsport threads though
The console players will want a XBox and Playstation Subforum. Sports will want football subsections. Don't think the Dons want so many more sections to keep an eye on - don't really blame them tbh!
Motors will need a "buy a mondeo or a 3 series" sub forum
Agreed it would be nice to have a wider spread of motorsport threads though
But it's not a computer section, there is already motors and sport which it perfectly fits in either. By all means email a Don but it will be rejected.
He has never had a car given to him capable of winning a championship, and IF he had a car designed so closely for his preferences as Hamilton has and willbe, surely this year has proven JB is capable of it (sorry Im being stupid, why would you ever admit that)
I already siad Coulthard was a good driver, but there is nothing to say that this year would have been any easier for DC than last year......and he never hit any highlights then
No actually he raced in a much LESS competitive time, when he was in a decent car at McLaren only two teams, and one driver really from each team, was genuinely capable fo winning (without retirements)
How many different teams/winners where there this season - 4 different teams and 6 different drivers (5 of which won multiple times), no way at all you can call that less competitive than the late 90's /early noughties (and unfortunately DC has only got worse since then at a rough guess)
Its very insulting to Button who clearly won a WDC to compare him to someone so recent who was never close to winning one
Top 5
Button
Mark Webber
Vettel
Lewis
Kimi / Rubens
For a number 2 driver I actually think Mark did a huge amount better than Rubens (despite what the final standings say) - and the only reason I put him above Sebastian was because of SV's stupidity in Aus (mainly that anyway). I also think that at its worst Red Bull in general did better than Brawn at its worst , Lewis won more races than those below him and even in a bad car in Aus he drove pretty well (before the team's stupidity). Kimi as usual only turned up for 1/2 the races if that and honourable mention to Massa. Its alos in that order a little just to be different. No -one was close to JB for those first 6 of 7 races, he managed the lead very easily (and while some of it was the car, Rubens was left for dead most of the time) and even in the latter stages of the season bad qualifying positions masked almighty race pace on a fair few occasions
Its not even down to that, its more likely down to money ( ie if Merc wanted to spend the money your factor would come into it Im sure, but the stupid money Kimi seems to be wanting put McLaren off, so it surely put Merc/Brawn off too)
Then you look at issues like Spa-gate when there is no question McLaren should have had nothing to answer for, and they STILL get penalised, its not surprising they panic and act stupidly (let alone when they dont even need to like Aus 09)
Yet you put Kimi above Mark, who had a below average season (or at least put a lot less effort in majority of the time) - not only that MW fought all year with his team leader (or at least percieved team leader) and pretty fairly beat him a couple of times. Kimi did nothing before Massa was incapacitated and then decided to "wake up".
Mark at the very least did an equally good job as Rubens from Championship standings (both team leaders had 120% of 2nd drivers totals) but given Brawn's finishing record vs Red Bulls I think that balances out in MW scoring more points /finish
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A shame there'll be no Kimi. I guess Button with his lower wage requirement, more media friendly attitude and less risk of wrapping himself round a tree half way though the season make him the better F1 driver package for McLaren.
I would have loved to see Raikkonen and Hamilton head to head at McLaren, that would have been an awesome contest.
Really hope he can find a race winning car for the year after.
I would have loved to see Raikkonen and Hamilton head to head at McLaren, that would have been an awesome contest.
Really hope he can find a race winning car for the year after.