***Official 2010 F1 thread***

CS||nuTs said:
Inflation doesnt affect F1 teams then? Petrol was about 40 pence per litre in 1990 and average of 112 pence now which makes the budget jump look a lot better than your post suggests.
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Do teams pay for fuel then? I assumed they got it for free as part of the deal to run said manufacturers fuel?

Besides fuel costs are a drop in the ocean to the way team budgets have gone up. Regardless of what fuel costs per litre team have busted that 100 times over.
 
dannyjo22 said:
Do teams pay for fuel then? I assumed they got it for free as part of the deal to run said manufacturers fuel?

Besides fuel costs are a drop in the ocean to the way team budgets have gone up. Regardless of what fuel costs per litre team have busted that 100 times over.
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I don't think he is referring to fuel in realtion to F1 teams buying it just showing how much the price of things have risen since the 90's
 
Also super duper wages where unheard of in 1990 in the realms of what is pretty common nowadays

Even in the last 5 years even average drivers like Nick Heidfeld have seen thier salary's rise from $1-2m to nearer $8m , with majority of championship winning drivers earning 3 - 4 times that (Im not even going to mention the astronomic fee MS was getting paid at Ferrari in the final years which would have funded nearly two entire teams that year , and probably 1/2 the grid in 1990)

If majority of the grid are paying nigh on $20m for both drivers and possibly a good percentage of that on top for the main aero / engineer , its pretty easy to see how the team costs have risen in the last two decades
 
Yes but thats the fault of the teams, drivers wages have gone out of control where in reality it's not really a dangerous job anymore compared to what it once was and there is no need to pay stupid money for drivers, especially at ferrari and mclaren.

The only time you should need to spend big on wages is to get a superstar in a poor team. Other than that the drivers need a good car more than the other way around.

Look at how close average drivers have got to titles in great cars, where as you never see a great driver get close to a title in an average car.

I can never understand why teams will then pay a Kimi $30-50 million per year. There really is no need.
 
dannyjo22 said:
Yes but thats the fault of the teams, drivers wages have gone out of control where in reality it's not really a dangerous job anymore compared to what it once was and there is no need to pay stupid money for drivers, especially at ferrari and mclaren.

The only time you should need to spend big on wages is to get a superstar in a poor team. Other than that the drivers need a good car more than the other way around.

Look at how close average drivers have got to titles in great cars, where as you never see a great driver get close to a title in an average car.

I can never understand why teams will then pay a Kimi $30-50 million per year. There really is no need.
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Well... no.

The fact is, you have to pay that much to get him. Its not about what someone is worth, its about what someone is willing to pay. No single team can decide not to pay their drivers massive sallaries, as the drivers will go elsewhere. To make a change you would ahve to change the entire industry in one go, something that will not happen.

Team will pay what they can afford, and as long as your team can pay more than the other team, you will be in with a shout of getting the drivers. It doesnt matter if its £100 or £100,000,000, its all relative to itself. Because someone has paid kimi £30m, means you have to pay more to get him. The fact is nobody did, so hes not in it this year. Its not up to us to decide wether he is value for money, its up to the men with the chequebooks to compaire there investments with what else is available.

The pay had nothing to do with danger either. Footballers for example get paid lots more, and they just kick a bag of air about a couple of times a week. Its what the industry is at. Banking is another example. You may think a £1m bonus is extreme, but the fact is, if the banks didnt pay thweir workers that, they would go elsewhere to a bank that would.

Its all relative.
 
A banker on a 1mill bonus will have created more than 1mill profit for the company, whereas in sports, with the exception of very high profile personel, this is not the case...
 
I was thinking more about football, but I honestly don't know; will a driver like Kimi bring in more than his wage in sponsors, branded merch etc?
 
It's about getting a driver that will win you a world championship though. The top teams would take a driver without any sponsorship who stands a good chance to win rather than someone with the money who is rubbish. i.e Lewis Hamilton when he first raced for Mclaren
 
Skeeter said:
Well... no.

The fact is, you have to pay that much to get him. Its not about what someone is worth, its about what someone is willing to pay. No single team can decide not to pay their drivers massive sallaries, as the drivers will go elsewhere. To make a change you would ahve to change the entire industry in one go, something that will not happen.
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It's already happening. Hence the low wages a massive draw like Schumacher Is getting at Merc and the lack of interest in Raikkonen at his wages. Or the difficulty for Jenson to get more than Damon Hill was earning 13 or so years ago.

Traditionally sponsors have paid drivers wages but we can see how that money is drying up, hence drivers salaries starting to stagnate or fall.
 
We need more clarification on that rule.

The way I read it is that its the tyres that are used to set the fastest time that must be fitted when starting the race, so a driver could still do 3 runs in Q3 with 3 different sets of tyres, and then just take the set that was on when the fastest time was set (which could have been the first of the 3) and put them back on for the start of the race. This isnt really that bad as it doesnt mess with Q3 to much.

If, however, the drivers will be Parc Ferme from the start of Q3 with no chance to change tyres, then it will kill Q3 as they will all wait until 8 minutes are up, then just do one flying run to avoid muinching a set of tyres doing multiple runs. This would be rubbish.

The way Autosport report it it sounds like its the tyres that are on when the fastest time is set that will be used, not that they are locked to a single set for Q3 and the start of the race. I hope they are correct.
 
I suppose it depends on which cars will be easier on tyres but more clarification needed to be honest.
 
Tweet from andrewbensonf1

Ferrari designer Aldo Costa was saying at launch he thinks another team is "on the limit" with diffuser legality. Another row brewing?

1) You mean like the teams with the double diffuser last year were?
2) How the hell does Aldo Costa know already? Only 3 cars have been unveilled and one of them is his! 1 has only been unveilled today, and the the third has just been given a shakedown.
 
I would suggest that perhaps designers are seeing other teams approaches to car design, and maybe seeing things they have missed. As a result, there will be a fair old bit of mud slung about at the start of the season with all these "blank sheet" designs.
 
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